New ST Ice BG - With Nora Surge

[Zahmet]

Arctic Delegate (heal 2, chill 2, +6hp) 73 Nora
2x Arctic Garu (vurn fire, +6hp, 9spd) 66 Nora
Glacial Titan (unstoppable, arctic camo, 12spd) 129 Nora (is it worth to get hpupgrades?)
2x Jakei Disciple (vurn fire, +6hp, 9spd) 78 Nora
2x Jakei Extinguisher (9spd, +6hp, amp frost) 71 Nora
Jakei Elder (8spd, 10dmg,+6hp) 74 Nora
Jakei Shaman (+6hp, cleanse, 9spd) 68 Nora
Tracker Gnark (+6hp, leap3, 11spd) 99 Nora
2x Yeti Berserker (multi 1, zerk3, 9spd, +6hp) 77 Nora

Gale Force
2x Ice Storm
Soul Frost

Iceguard Visor

Ice Shard
Provincial Marker

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This is my current list, what I want todo, trying to keep the champs at 9spd and kinda cheap, the disciple can get back some nora if opponent has more champs, soulfrost is nice to gain nora with more or less any champ if they have ice from the titan or the elder (only have to stand on ice when you cast it not when your attacking)

The plan is to have rather nora effiect champs (disciple that gives back nora when enters play and when I cast spells, also garu is good nora for its stats). I run the diplomat to have some healing and magic damage. I would love to get another elder in there and I guess the diplo would be what I cut out... but I don't want to cut her :/

Any tips or ides are very welcome. Yes I do want 2x Shardmasters also... I just can't fit them right now, maybe change the disciples for them, shardmasters do more damage disciples are abit more nora friendly and also have some survivablity and trix with swap.

EDIT: Changed the last deep freeze for a Gale Force.
EDIT: Removed a Soul Frost added a Helm

[Zoltor]

I find this build works nicely(12 speed,Unstoppable, and Arctic Camouflage for 129 Nora).

You don't have to worry about Stuns/slows, 30 DEF to ranged attacks is just too good to pass up, and 13 speed not only costs less then getting Mobility, but will most likely be overall more useful.

Overall looks good, but since most of your champs are cheap anyway, and you aren't running 2x Titans, 2x Soul Frost seems like a waste, I would take one out(put in the ST helm), also I would get rid of the Gnark, and put in something else(perhaps a JFQ, another Elder, or a Shardmaster).

PS. Also if you decide to do this build for the Titan, you will have enough cp left for 3 hp upgrades, if you want.

[Zahmet]

I find this build works nicely(12 speed,Unstoppable, and Arctic Camouflage for 129 Nora).

You don't have to worry about Stuns/slows, 30 DEF to ranged attacks is just too good to pass up, and 13 speed not only costs less then getting Mobility, but will most likely be overall more useful.

Overall looks good, but since most of your champs are cheap anyway, and you aren't running 2x Titans, 2x Soul Frost seems like a waste, I would take one out(put in the ST helm), also I would get rid of the Gnark, and put in something else(perhaps a JFQ, another Elder, or a Shardmaster).

PS. Also if you decide to do this build for the Titan, you will have enough cp left for 3 hp upgrades, if you want.

mmm sounds like how I was planing the Titan.

I think 2 titans is to much, he is cool and big and all but I think Ill stick with just one.
Ive been thinking about Gnark, not sure, still like her but maybe a elder/queen in that spot...

Maybe Ill try a helm instead of a Soul Frost, atm Im runing some campains only and its kinda easy to not get your champs killed in there (just runing normal to lvl the garus/disciple/titan)

Thanks for any inputs.

[Zoltor]

mmm sounds like how I was planing the Titan.

I think 2 titans is to much, he is cool and big and all but I think Ill stick with just one.
Ive been thinking about Gnark, not sure, still like her but maybe a elder/queen in that spot...

Maybe Ill try a helm instead of a Soul Frost, atm Im runing some campains only and its kinda easy to not get your champs killed in there (just runing normal to lvl the garus/disciple/titan)

Thanks for any inputs.

Yea, it would be different if Titans were 100 Nora, or atleast close to 100, but It's not, so I don't think running 2 of them is smart.

Yea, the Helm is amazing mid/late game, I strongly suggest using one.

What are you debating with yourself, get rid of Gnark now, It's not even a remotely good rune anymore. It has always been way to squishy, but after the over nerf to swarm, and now Initiate 1+removal of rank 2, It's hard to decide, which is worse, Dirge, or Gnark.

You're welcome

PS. I don't kbow what your playstye is like, but since you already have a Elder, I would go with a Majestic 2 build for JFQ(11 speed, Majestic 2, and Levitate). I know It's expensive, but Majestic 2 builds need mad mobility to get inside, and you probally wont have to use the JFQ every game if you don't want, but against some matchups It's basically a must have.

[Zahmet]

Yea, it would be different if Titans were 100 Nora, or atleast close to 100, but It's not, so I don't think running 2 of them is smart.

Yea, the Helm is amazing mid/late game, I strongly suggest using one.

What are you debating with yourself, get rid of Gnark now, It's not even a remotely good rune anymore. It has always been way to squishy, but after the over nerf to swarm, and now Initiate 1+removal of rank 2, It's hard to decide, which is worse, Dirge, or Gnark.

You're welcome

PS. I don't kbow what your playstye is like, but since you already have a Elder, I would go with a Majestic 2 build for JFQ(11 speed, Majestic 2, and Levitate). I know It's expensive, but Majestic 2 builds need mad mobility to get inside, and you probally wont have to use the JFQ every game if you don't want, but against some matchups It's basically a must have.

I don't think I will ever get Levitate on a queen :/
Majestic 2, 11 spd some damage and run her close or at 100nora I could do, she would just replace gnark in that "100nora" spot. Still gnark hits hard, swarm champs that can take fonts, bola and leap3 are nice mobility abilites. I like Gnark, I like Queen, I like Elders in this build :/

I will add a helm if not only to test it out

[Zoltor]

I don't think I will ever get Levitate on a queen :/
Majestic 2, 11 spd some damage and run her close or at 100nora I could do, she would just replace gnark in that "100nora" spot. Still gnark hits hard, swarm champs that can take fonts, bola and leap3 are nice mobility abilites. I like Gnark, I like Queen, I like Elders in this build :/

I will add a helm if not only to test it out


Well with Levitate, you can acually out mobilize FS, yes I said FS, and on their own map lol, it won me some games for sure :), but I suppose It's not a "must have"(not to mention it can bypass Chasms, and other terrains).

PS. With the Helm on my Diplomat(which by all means Isn't a high damage dealer)I was doing 18 damage woot woot(would probally have been even higher, but the game didn't last much longer).

[Aquifn]

For the record, Gnark is better with the second turn nora 120 start. He's also currently tied as the best current Init champ in the game. Is he what he should be? not even close. But with the second turn thing he can be run over 100 nora making him at least able if you give him the new helm.

[Remni]

I actually didn't bother with Unstoppable and instead went Arctic Camo, Mobility, 12 SPD on my Titan. Puts him at 127, which is very awesome actually.

[Zoltor]

I actually didn't bother with Unstoppable and instead went Arctic Camo, Mobility, 12 SPD on my Titan. Puts him at 127, which is very awesome actually.


You may want to rethink that, otherwise IS will own it, and a few runes from other faction will tear it apart.