1st K'lzik vs Grimlic post of new forums.

[Viziroth]

So I've been wondering... Grimlic or K'lzik

[CryFar]

You.

*filler*

[sciroppo]

You forgot to make a poll ;)

[Hierokliff]

K'lzik always, Grimlic is a n00b.
Allthough it is a very nice unit that n00b one, but k'lzik is my hero in this faction, even if she doesnt bother to play atm while Grimlic is out taking care of her business.

[Viziroth]

I didn't forget to make a poll. It was reminisent of the old forum. The poll shall be used in the 2nd thread!... unless I can edit and add a poll...

Nope... cannot edit it to add a poll...

Wait I can!

[sciroppo]

Yay a Poll :) cool... ah well damn i cant decide :/

its a really hard vote, i think ill go for K´lzik cause she looks much better definitely!

[Phyti]

k'lizk is owning grimlic

[mewsass]

I use K'lzik because i cant get a Grimlic ^_^ (and im wondering that if i had a Grimlic i might still use K'lzik)

[Viziroth]

mnaybe this poll will end all the grimlic vs k'lzik threads.

[Thelvin]

If I was for some very weird reason forced to pick between the two....I would go with K'lzik every time. Unless you play nothing but fire bg's....then I would go with Grimlic lol

[Raileks]

I wish I had a grimlic for my fire bgs but in every other way K'lzik owns him.

[ninkobei]

grimlic is clearly the better choice. if you want a life siphoning melee beater run 2x succubus. the end.

[Viziroth]

k'lzik has a nice lead here....

[Typhrex]

id say K'lzik shes great with a demon shield

[TerranZerg]

For me it's basicly girl elves vs guy elves and...I tend to go with the girls....even if they do have spider butts.

K'lzik FTW!

[troost0]

if you put them in a fight klzick wins duh. but grimmy may pown allot others were klzick has trouble with. i chose klzick for the simplest reason exist i dont run a fire deck but a demon deck

[Tratz]

I think the surge ability could be pretty handy especially with spells like protect the nest ^_^

[Konger]

Hah , I'm honestly a little surprised at the results, I knew there were some diehard K'lzick supporters, but wow.

K'lzik is a very solid Hero, not many Hero's have the same ability to literally change the face and tone of the battlefield as she does once she's plopped down.

Personally, I just got sick of relying on her, too many times people would just shatter her Demon Shield and then she's a sitting duck and get's one-rounded. Or one spell like Devolve or Essence Drain and she's a goner.

Sure the same thing can happen to an unshielded Grimlic, but K'lzick is MUCH more of an invenstment. Considering a good K'lzik build is going to run you around 120 nora, and she pretty much NEEDS a Demon Shield for another 25 nora, that's 145 nora total on one champ. Not to mention when you run a K'lzik, your whole BG is designed around her, Nefari Torch's, Arachnid champs, etc. It kind of turns you into a one-trick pony.

Grimlic on the other hand can stay back out of harms way if you run him right, has massive range and damage, regen keeps him in the game, Fire Blasts heal your Sheoul Demons, he's cleansable, etc.

Basically K'lzik is just another high damage, high survivability melee champ, we have tons of those. Grimlic is the only champ in UD with Cleanse and range, and he supports the rest of your battlegroup's fire eaters rather than everything else having to support him.

95% of the time, I'd choose Grimlic.

[Sepulcher8]

What is with all this K'lzik crap?! lol

Hang on....let me get this straight...You could either have a 2x2 tank with high damage (we don't have any more of THOSE, now do we?) OR you could have a 2-6 range champ that both costs less and has an AoE attack.

I like how everyone is saying "if I had a fire deck, Grimlic would be great!". I've seen Grimlic in countless Demon decks, because HE'S A DEMON! :P He can be Beckoned, and all that jazz. The only drawback to Grimlic is that he's Unequippable. But how often does your Demon Shield on K'lzik get Shattered, Disarmed, Corroded, Recycled, etc?

I don't understand the appeal, at all. I've focus-fired K'lzik so many times I've lost count. :\ She's not as good as Grimlic, IMO...

[Raileks]

What is with all this K'lzik crap?! lol

Hang on....let me get this straight...You could either have a 2x2 tank with high damage (we don't have any more of THOSE, now do we?) OR you could have a 2-6 range champ that both costs less and has an AoE attack.

I like how everyone is saying "if I had a fire deck, Grimlic would be great!". I've seen Grimlic in countless Demon decks, because HE'S A DEMON! :P He can be Beckoned, and all that jazz. The only drawback to Grimlic is that he's Unequippable. But how often does your Demon Shield on K'lzik get Shattered, Disarmed, Corroded, Recycled, etc?

I don't understand the appeal, at all. I've focus-fired K'lzik so many times I've lost count. :\ She's not as good as Grimlic, IMO...

Clearly you're not treating k'zlik right. Lay your hands off my woman.

[CryFar]

This is just a popularity contest to be honest.

[MrSte]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/dreadlord12345/pic03902.jpg

[Archix]

both are nice

[Raileks]

This is just a popularity contest to be honest.

and K'zlik won.

Lets be honest, Insane Homicidal Drider(who in many eyes is hot despite or because of the spider half) that spawns a swarm of spiders and drinks your enemies blood vs. an old guy whose full of himself and flings fireballs.

[dommikhail]

Grimlic's better in a vacuum.

K'lzik is still cooler.

[Sepulcher8]

Grimlic's better in a vacuum.

K'lzik is still cooler.

I always thought Grimlic was cooler. :P Cuz he's a badass wizard and whatnot.

[troost0]

grimmy has a cooler picture!!
klzick still better though but....!!!
grimmy has a cooler picture!!

btw. dont u think that new expansion preview picture are like err.. WAY better then most things we have now?

[CryFar]

Like I said, popularity contest.

[Demetrius8]

Klzik is a true hero!!!! But Grim is better in pox because its a game dominated by range.

Klzik is the true ruler of thy underdepths, bow b4 the spider queen!!!

[troost0]

BUT!!!! grimmy's pic is cooler!!!

[Illidin]

< avid Grimlic supporter =P

[ninkobei]

honestly, I cant understand how anyone would pick klzik over grim. UD already has so many melee beaters dependent on the priestess its unreal. any anti-equipment makes klzik extremely vulnerable. so, she doesnt take damage from the boghopper spitter. big whoop.
klzik vs pit dragon, pit will nearly 2-shot klzik. and pit has 50% poison reduction and magic reduction. so he doesnt spawn 6 speed spiders when he gets hit..they never make a big difference in the game anyway because they are easily sniped or run away from.

[Konger]

Well, a naked K'lzik against a naked Pit Dragon, with no spawned spiders, yeah, the Pit would win. The thing with K'lzik is that, with the proper support, Demon Shield, champs to beckon her, stuff spawning spiders, etc. She eventually has the possibility to reach God-like status where she has over 25 damage and Life Siphon bringing her back to full health every turn, and she can steam roll anything.

The problem is, this is putting all of your eggs in one basket, if she gets disarmed, and one-rounded through spells and champs, your done. If the map is too small for K'lzik to fit her big ass through the nooks and crannies, your out of luck. If you deploy K'lzik and she gets killed before you can get the proper support out, your done. She can be champ controlled, slowed, etc.

Grimlic has his own weaknesses, but at least he's offering some powerful range damage right out of the box, and if you lose him, you just move onto the next champ tactic.

K'lzik is either awesome on that particular map, or amazing against that particular faction or battlegroup, but useless against others, I don't think she is as dependable at all.

[mewsass]

K'lzik, the worlds greatest snowball.

It takes a while to build up but when it does, it is GOD. It just takes the right kind of player (IE not the kind of player that makes an account, looks at the faction profiles and says "Hey that demon one looks the coolest il be that one!" or "This one does damage, this is the one for me", the kind of player that trys them all, wins alot and is a great tactision, because UD is one of the hardest to play, but when used right, one of the hardest to beat) to use her correctly, as in, protect her like you would protect your shrine. Some people pack a nefari guardian just for K'lzik. Protect the nest is mostly for the 2nd turn so you can summon K'zik at your font while the spiders hatch. K'lzik is a gamble early game.



Grimlic, the overacheiving son that drops out of high school.

Grimlic makes a petter defender if you get in a rut. I dont want to buy him so I havent tried him and cant go into any further detail so I will compare them by how I see a chainsaw that takes a while to start up and a pimped out archer/healer (firebomb)/annoyance/terroist attack (firebomb).



Soloing -Both need a bodyguard. Draw

Self heal - K'lzik wins with a better heal.

Range attack - Grimlic wins slightly with range because of K'lzik's web.

Typeing - Grimlic is easier to type. Doesnt really count for anything though.

Last stand - K'lzik makes a better last stand (the enemy army is near your base so you save up champs and spend em all in 1 turn) because of multiattack + poison.

FEAH ME - K'lzik wins in scare tactics (IE (this is real and happens to me) enemy surrenders when the 1st champ killed is his when K'lzik pulls off a 50 damage insta).

Bodyguard useage - K'lzik wins with playing with bodyguards because of 7(+5) poisoning spiders that can block bridges or K'lzik.

Ally heal - Grimlic wins with healing ally.

Slowing the enemy down - draw because deception blocks twice and web only slows one guy down but it does damage. Depending on how K'lziks going, it can be ALOT of damage + poison + ranged + slow down.

Size - Grimlic.

Hitting more - Draw, multiattack makes up for Aoe firebomb.

Blocking - K'lzik, 2x2 for bridges + higher surviving.

Look - K'lzik, spiders are badass.

Travel - Grimlic, guess why.

Mass puppy murder - I could imagine Grimlic stabbing a puppy with his stick but mini-sythe wins this.

Amp - Draw, Grimlic amped by fire, K'lzik but thhhpiders.



So its all about skill.

Grundelwulf = John Goodman ^_~

[CryFar]

Grimlic should win blocking. He has deception, which is better than being fat.

[troost0]

but youre fat


Look - K'lzik, spiders are badass.


w00t klzick might be better but grimmy looks so much cooler!!

[CryFar]

but youre fat




w00t klzick might be better but grimmy looks so much cooler!!

K'lzik is NOT better than Grimlic.

[Illidin]

The main reason i see k'lzik having any advanage over grimlic would be that she cant be drowned. Which for movement has its disadvantages. and since the top ranks are flooded by FS i can really understand this.

As far as damage i find it alot easier to get grimlic with a feind out as opose to building up klzik. (21 damage grimlic - 25 damage klzik.)

Imo the range on grimlic is far greater than multi attack.

as for healing, with grimlic you heal 4 a round, and majority of the time he doesnt get hit. Klzik has to be in the danger zone to even consider healing. If grimlic gets low you can always deception and/or haul @$$

I just find grimlic less situational.

My feelings on the matter are:

Potentially Klzik wins but practicly Grimlic wins.