#9 - Deck Building - Sundered Lands/K'thir Forest Elite Deck

[HawkFain]

Discuss Kaervas' latest build here. If you haven't read it yet you can do so here (http://thegreenroom.poxnora.com/?p=235)

[Konger]

Wow, don't think I'd want to run into this deck at all. :P

I hope no one else sees this...

[hermelyn]

very nasty bg acid deflect poison dot pummel could be very lethal

[hughmann]

Haha, powergaming at its best.

[jibtekw]

I liked the 13 spd D Lord version better.

[HCaulfield]

I like the BG idea, but would make several changes.

Champion wise, I'd run 2 less super champs, probably choose to run acid ele's (and possibly Krikkens) at their cheaper versions. Acid Ele's survival and damage output isn't much changed by adding 20 or so nora, and Krikken is usually used for poison cloud + high hp middle range. I'd also probably take out the snake charmers, somewhat because 9 and 7 speed snakes aren't that great, but more because I don't think that the super champs need much support (why spend 55+ nora on a charmer when for 25 more, you can mirror another angel?). In place, I'd run something with initiative, for when your font or shrine is being pressed and need a surprise attack.

Spell wise, I'd switch a DB out for a quickening, as it synergizes much better with super champions than DB, which does better with cheap champs.

Other than that, it's very much like my FF KF bg, which is a ton of fun to play. It's different from (and lethal against) the majority of BG's, which focus on pumping out cheap, disposable champs followed by spell support and 1 or 2 heavy hitters to supplement damage. The biggest weakness if being pressured earlier than you can get the mirrors going, since otherwise, your champs are generally going to be overpriced. Single target spells can also be a weakpoint, since in the early game they can virtually shut down your offensive capabilities by hitting a single champ.

[Kaervas]

The snake charmers go a long way in enabling the cheaper units of the battlegroup. Snakes are also a valuable stopgap, as I am fairly range heavy. Also, I am not able to run 13 speed on all of my runes in the same way as FF KF deck can, so the extra AP is a help.

As far as cheapening the units, the krikkins are actually just a standard 11 speed build, it happens to hit 91 in SL/KF, which is great for my purposes. The acid elementals could be cheaper definitely, that was one change I was considering already when playing the deck.

[HGrimm]

Looks like a fun deck :) I would just include an Angel of War and one Draksar Lord for one Elder. Maybe add another taint...but it has low cd so you could cast it twice anyway. And since i love the Rej Ring i would definitely include one. Draksar Lord with Ring sounds like a hard to kill champ.


Spell wise, I'd switch a DB out for a quickening, as it synergizes much better with super champions than DB, which does better with cheap champs.
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And this. One DB for its flying and ap gain and the quickening because it fits so well with hard hitting superchamps. Pummel with Elder or Lord then Quickening and another hit...potentially destroys anything that walks in one round. Hm, i think i must find room for a second quickening.

Im not sure about the Acids and the Krikk. Have to test that.
Damn...now i have to level champs again :(

[clown213]

soooo no taints?

auper beast runes w/ regeneration would be even greater, especially when coupled with high defense from the bonus.

and snake charmers would definately be needed. its a champ heavy group with superchamps, the charmer is one of the if not the best summoner. great support

[Elthrain]

*Sigh* I like the concept but i don't think it's a good thing for Kaervas to keep handing out these power game cookie-cutter battlegroups for everyone to copy, especially with all the splice complaints around. Also I know the battlegroup is fine tuned and theres alot of thought in there, but i feel the creativity in it is just very low. Its just what K'thir has been doing with the Angels for the past couple of weeks combined with Tiny's concept of cloning Acid Elementals. It would be nice if for next time something quirky or original was put forward, instead of just copying the top of the meta battlegroups.

[Remni]

=/ Can we see some decks that DONT have SL in it please?

[TerranZerg]

neatest/most impressive bg kaervas has ever made :P

[PurvySage]

might wanna think about adding 'shatter' to your Elven Artisan perhaps... i dont know about the SL champs you have on the list, but it doesnt appear you have any way to shatter any enemy equips onto one of your champs. since it seems your building the deck on the elite blade, you might wanna consider paying the 6nora to add 'shatter' to your Artisan. One round of 'nora miner 2' will pay for it.