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Strings
10-28-2009, 06:19 AM
Just want peoples thoughts. I am planning on a KF/SL deck, it will have the SL banner, and I was wondering what anti nora I should have. While regulator has the better ability, it clocks in for 70 nora (4 more then usual) and its stats are not so hot in a split without banner. Leech on the other hand comes in at 54 (4 lower) thanks to the KF bonus and has a banner boost, although it has the worse anti nora ability.

So, what are peoples thoughts?

EDIT: Deck is listed in another post.

gaverion
10-28-2009, 06:21 AM
I would look at the rest of your bg; if you have 2 free slots on the SL side, take leaches, otherwise take regulator (who only requires 1 slot).

Shadyguy1
10-28-2009, 06:58 AM
Leeches also provide some alt damage, but like the person above me said, it really just depends on which you have room for.

Glissando
10-28-2009, 07:06 AM
The leech ability > Nora link.
The problem is you need 2 slots for the leeches and only one for the regulator.

I`d go with the regulator.

Ryvirath
10-28-2009, 07:45 AM
Curious choice of banners, I'd go with leeches unless you specifically need the room for whatever you have in mind.

Strings
10-28-2009, 09:13 AM
Curious choice of banners, I'd go with leeches unless you specifically need the room for whatever you have in mind.

Deck is running SL heavy. I am not a fan of KF champs in splits, simply because they are all going to be more costly then they are in FF KF (couple of exceptions ofc) while the other side (in this case SL) is going to be cheaper then normally in FF.

Space is tight on both sides but I think I will go for the leech.

The deck is going to run 12 SL champs (then banner and 2 DB's) with 3 KF champs (2 herald, dragon) though possibily 2 RE or 1 charmer dependong on how it works out.

Out side of heros/herald/dragon KF only really has its spell list to make you want to play it, so it seems best going this way. I should have fun with 39 (elite blade, SL bonus, Arieal Sup) def Thiorn and ally KF Draksar Zerkers ^_^.

Zetsu12
10-28-2009, 09:25 AM
I wouldn't say leeches are a worse anti nora ability. I'd actually say they are better. :P

Andronidas
10-28-2009, 10:42 AM
If leeches are that much better, can we swap them for the regulator, pl0x? I'd like that.

Ryvirath
10-28-2009, 12:00 PM
Deck is running SL heavy. I am not a fan of KF champs in splits, simply because they are all going to be more costly then they are in FF KF (couple of exceptions ofc) while the other side (in this case SL) is going to be cheaper then normally in FF.

Space is tight on both sides but I think I will go for the leech.

The deck is going to run 12 SL champs (then banner and 2 DB's) with 3 KF champs (2 herald, dragon) though possibily 2 RE or 1 charmer dependong on how it works out.

Out side of heros/herald/dragon KF only really has its spell list to make you want to play it, so it seems best going this way. I should have fun with 39 (elite blade, SL bonus, Arieal Sup) def Thiorn and ally KF Draksar Zerkers ^_^.

If you are focusing on mirroring, KF angels are still tremendous for that; there wasn't any real reason for them to fall out of favor. Then you get rage bands for the copies. Archers also typically work well since they are cheaper, but I'd prefer the 59 nora cannoner.

Strings
10-28-2009, 12:23 PM
If you are focusing on mirroring, KF angels are still tremendous for that; there wasn't any real reason for them to fall out of favor. Then you get rage bands for the copies. Archers also typically work well since they are cheaper, but I'd prefer the 59 nora cannoner.

49 nora howler, 59 nora cannon, 67 nora rocket all seem good to me :) I didnt notice the archer was 9 speed, but I think I prefer the cannon over her but DB and barrage seems like fun. I may end up subbing out for rockets for her which will open up the SL side a bit. I will have to play around.

Angels is a good option, but I do not have access to them sadly. Planning on mirroring the acids instead.

DagdaTuath
10-28-2009, 01:09 PM
49 nora howler, 59 nora cannon, 67 nora rocket all seem good to me :) I didnt notice the archer was 9 speed, but I think I prefer the cannon over her but DB and barrage seems like fun. I may end up subbing out for rockets for her which will open up the SL side a bit. I will have to play around.

Angels is a good option, but I do not have access to them sadly. Planning on mirroring the acids instead.

NO!!!


mirror uber sandstalker lords. please. for me.

aside from that, regulator and leeches will both be rather weak combat. regu is better for anti nora imo

Strings
10-28-2009, 01:28 PM
NO!!!


mirror uber sandstalker lords. please. for me.

aside from that, regulator and leeches will both be rather weak combat. regu is better for anti nora imo

Cant see mirroring them to be that good, mainly because how the sand overlaps its self and they are missing a large bit of DEF for being in a split.

Mirroring mega Recruiters (with surge etc) might be fun though xD

DagdaTuath
10-28-2009, 01:34 PM
Cant see mirroring them to be that good, mainly because how the sand overlaps its self and they are missing a large bit of DEF for being in a split.

Mirroring mega Recruiters (with surge etc) might be fun though xD

recruiter? as in moga? as in lonks? as in ?

Strings
10-28-2009, 03:41 PM
recruiter? as in moga? as in lonks? as in ?

Lonx :) Each mirror summons more cats which he surges from! xD

dommikhail
10-28-2009, 04:20 PM
It depends on your list I'd say. I tend to love Leeches since they can run off and grab a font for under 60 nora, while still getting their benefit, and can come back and not be completely useless in combat.

Regulator costs more to deploy, is a 2x2, doesn't fly... The only reason she'd get a nod here I'd think would be as a disarm option, which makes her cost even more.

Also, we can has list?

Strings
10-28-2009, 05:29 PM
So far my deck is looking something like this.

SL

Acid ele x 2 (10 speed, otherwise normal build) 89 nora
Rocketeer x 2 67 nora
Howler x 2 49 nora
Cannon x 2 59 nora
D zerker x 2 (8 speed, ally KF, Zerker 3, health) 77 nora
Leech x 2 54 nora

Banner

DB x 2

KF

Garu Chosen x 2 73 nora
Thirion x1 (10 speed, resist 2, Areial Sup) 109 nora ~~Would be great if I could get some builds for him. Not upgraded much atm due to cp~~

Brambles x 2
Call Serpent x 1
Devolve x 1
Natures Wrath x 2
G mirror x 2
Vortex x 1

Rejuv Ring x 2
Elite blade x 1


It is just meant to be a solid deck. Cheap range and meat (thanks to KF bonus) with tanks (acid) and beaters (zerker) in SL, combined with KF support spells and the herald/dragon combo. Dragon gaining something like 39 def with elite blade xD

I would probably remove rockets for rage band and taint/scape goat and add in angels to the KF side if I could.

D zerkers are looking to be good fun, having 63 health, 17 damage, 25 atk with banner out, before motivate/enrage ^_^

I am in need of about 3 bronze tokens atm though... So if anyone would care help out someone who is strugling with KF splits I would be very helpful :)

Ryvirath
10-28-2009, 05:32 PM
So far my deck is looking something like this.

SL

Acid ele x 2 (10 speed, otherwise normal build) 89 nora
Rocketeer x 2 67 nora
Howler x 2 49 nora
Cannon x 2 59 nora
D zerker x 2 (8 speed, ally KF, Zerker 3, health) 77 nora
Leech x 2 54 nora

Banner

DB x 2

KF

Garu Chosen x 2 73 nora
Thirion x1 (10 speed, resist 2, Areial Sup) 109 nora ~~Would be great if I could get some builds for him. Not upgraded much atm due to cp~~

Brambles x 2
Call Serpent x 1
Devolve x 1
Natures Wrath x 2
G mirror x 2
Vortex x 1

Rejuv Ring x 2
Elite blade x 1


It is just meant to be a solid deck. Cheap range and meat (thanks to KF bonus) with tanks (acid) and beaters (zerker) in SL, combined with KF support spells and the herald/dragon combo. Dragon gaining something like 39 def with elite blade xD

I would probably remove rockets for rage band and taint/scape goat and add in angels to the KF side if I could.

D zerkers are looking to be good fun, having 63 health, 17 damage, 25 atk with banner out, before motivate/enrage ^_^

I am in need of about 3 bronze tokens atm though... So if anyone would care help out someone who is strugling with KF splits I would be very helpful :)

Acid eles are one nora off of being elite blade viable, also not really enough super champs to take advantage of g mirror.

Strings
10-28-2009, 06:12 PM
Acid eles are one nora off of being elite blade viable, also not really enough super champs to take advantage of g mirror.

I am aware. I may end up upping damage/health to push them into that area, but not sure (since blade is mainly there for the dragon).

Mirror is just for the Acids really :)

Strings
10-28-2009, 06:14 PM
Could also try a 13 zerker build and mirror them :)

Krebmart
10-28-2009, 06:59 PM
Frankly, I'd drop one mirror and add a second Call Serpent. That spell is so freaking broken, and it better fits your ultra-efficient theme.

Strings
10-28-2009, 07:35 PM
Frankly, I'd drop one mirror and add a second Call Serpent. That spell is so freaking broken, and it better fits your ultra-efficient theme.

Probably for the best :) Without angels I dont think I will be mirroring that much ^_^