FW/SP tricks

[DfosterW]

That's it folks, post your synergies/combos here.

Slag/death benefits as a start (although they don't interact too well with ravens... unless you necrosis the slags first?)

[Krebmart]

Bile zombie + Implant
Revenant + Implant
Suicidal attack + Voidhowler
Cracked terrain spell + domination
Bloodfiend + Essence Devourer + Graveyard + Death Harvester + Collection of souls
Lich King + Harpoon (range DoT)
Soul Siren + Fesh
Ghost Pendant + Goliath Fesh (Can eat stuff while incorporeal)

[fireball94]

You could easily use Moga Aviators as 16 nora fodder. What, it will have a cooldown of two?

[TheScathed]

Most obvious synergy is battlefiend and CoS.

[Sammich]

It is indeed a CD of 2. Devour makes them a 30 HP heal - it's awesome.

[Sammich]

Angel of Death (+43)
80 1 8 12 9 9 40 2 - 4

Angel of Death (+42)
80 1 8 12 9 9 40 2 - 4

Bile Zombie (+107)
41 3 0 6 6 0 25 1

Bile Zombie (+38)
41 3 0 6 6 0 25 1

Collection of Souls (+29)
73 1 9 12 9 8 10 1

Cyclops Battlefiend (+74)
71 3 5 30 7 6 60 1 - 2

Cyclops Battlefiend (+79)
71 3 5 30 7 6 60 1 - 2

Cyclops Shaman (+28)
61 1 13 11 7 10 50 4 - 6

Death Harvester (+40)
55 1 11 12 9 8 35 1

Eternal Lich (+28)
80 1 16 13 9 11 42 4 - 6

Eternal Lich (+18)
80 1 16 13 9 11 42 4 - 6

G'hern Sustainer (+7)
47 1 0 10 7 0 53 1

G'hern Sustainer (+21)
48 2 0 10 7 0 55 1

Gravewatcher
54 1 10 10 7 6 32 1

Moga Aviator (+28)
16 2 10 9 9 8 30 1 - 2

Moga Aviator (+23)
16 2 10 9 9 8 30 1 - 2

Oozing Slag (+92)
59 2 5 5 9 9 50 1

Oozing Slag (+86)
59 2 5 5 9 9 50 1

Parasitic Fesh (+59)
69 2 6 6 11 6 31 1

Parasitic Fesh (+52)
69 2 6 6 11 6 31 1

Revenant (+23)
26 1 15 6 9 14 25 1 - 2

Revenant (+33)
26 1 15 6 9 14 25 1 - 2
SPELL COST FACTION 5 (30)
Decay 45
Implant 35
Implant 35
Mobilization 50
Mobilization 50
RELIC COST DEF HP FACTION 1 (30)
Tome of Hate 45 2 12
EQUIPMENT COST FACTION 2 (30)
Diamond Mace 30
Slaver's Whip 40


I'm probably pulling the Shaman and Sustainers soon - I don't want the Aviators getting their abilities! Work in progress, ya know, but I think you get the gist of it.

[LoveJohnny]

implant + voidhowler will work soon
mobi + Goliath is obvious
Sac Dagger + The exile is also obvious
harpoon + LK was pointed out, but still good

[DfosterW]

implant + voidhowler will work soon

Why do you say implant and voidhowler will work soon? have they said it's a bug and it should work? as it is though, I have what I consider a better combo for the void.

Thanks for the BG sammich, I'm probably not going to use angels of death as I seem to find them somewhat underwhelming unless a bg is designed around them. I'm definitely going to take out the sustainers, and am considering running one overbuffed crupz golem (72 nora for 11spd, diseasaura3, absorb and hunter prot (i think)) just as a counter rune. Consume will make for a really nasty roadblock. I'm considering my angel of chaos, as pull will be ever useful and gift of fertility will help out the slags a good bit.


Looks to be a solid basis though, thanks :)

[LoveJohnny]

Why do you say implant and voidhowler will work soon? have they said it's a bug and it should work?

Yes letters. I reported the bug and it's getting fixed.

[DfosterW]

Yes letters. I reported the bug and it's getting fixed.

Ah, gooddeal. To be honest though, I like the suicidal attack combo a bit more. It means the champ has to be under 30 hp, and you will swarm him. Very nasty, especially when early in the game. Implant seems too easy to dodge, honestly. It will work nicely in a fesh BG though (which is now almost an actual theme)

[Sammich]

Good points, Foster. Revised - (Angels going to Fertility, Scorn at 80 nora)

Angel of Chaos
79 1 8 12 9 9 40 2 - 4

Angel of Chaos (+12)
85 1 8 12 9 9 40 2 - 4

Bile Zombie (+38)
41 3 0 6 6 0 25 1

Bile Zombie (+107)
41 3 0 6 6 0 25 1

Collection of Souls (+9)
70 1 9 12 9 8 10 1

Collection of Souls (+29)
73 1 9 12 9 8 10 1

Cyclops Battlefiend (+74)
71 3 5 30 7 6 60 1 - 2

Cyclops Battlefiend (+79)
71 3 5 30 7 6 60 1 - 2

Death Guard (+17)
30 1 12 20 8 15 40 1

Death Guard (+10)
30 1 12 20 8 15 40 1

Death Harvester (+40)
55 1 11 12 9 8 35 1

Eternal Lich (+18)
80 1 16 13 9 11 42 4 - 6

Eternal Lich (+28)
80 1 16 13 9 11 42 4 - 6

Moga Aviator (+28)
16 2 10 9 9 8 30 1 - 2

Moga Aviator (+23)
16 2 10 9 9 8 30 1 - 2

Oozing Slag (+92)
59 2 5 5 9 9 50 1

Oozing Slag (+86)
59 2 5 5 9 9 50 1

Parasitic Fesh (+52)
69 2 6 6 11 6 31 1

Parasitic Fesh (+59)
69 2 6 6 11 6 31 1

Revenant (+23)
26 1 15 6 9 14 25 1 - 2

Revenant (+33)
26 1 15 6 9 14 25 1 - 2
SPELL COST FACTION 6 (30)
Decay 45
Implant 35
Implant 35
Limit 25
Mobilization 50
Mobilization 50
RELIC COST DEF HP FACTION 1 (30)
Tome of Hate 45 2 12
EQUIPMENT COST FACTION 2 (30)
Diamond Mace 30
Slaver's Whip 40

[fireball94]

Hmm, why don't you get that +6 hp on your Aviators?

[Ivaro]

Hmm, why don't you get that +6 hp on your Aviators?

If he were to have a banner out upgrading HP would actually be inefficient, but as long as he doesn't it's very slightly efficient.

[jibtekw]

Suicidal attack + Voidhowler

It might work with Implant now but this one is sooooo sexy.

[DfosterW]

It might work with Implant now but this one is sooooo sexy.

Implant doesn't work at the moment, but they say it will. Suicidal does though, and it's very sexy. I gotta stop finding oddball decks. it's getting frustrating.

[TheScathed]

Suicidal attack actually works better, come to think of it. With implant, the fesh hits after void howl does damage.

[gconstable]

Good points, Foster. Revised - (Angels going to Fertility, Scorn at 80 nora)

Angel of Chaos
79 1 8 12 9 9 40 2 - 4

Angel of Chaos (+12)
85 1 8 12 9 9 40 2 - 4

Bile Zombie (+38)
41 3 0 6 6 0 25 1

Bile Zombie (+107)
41 3 0 6 6 0 25 1

Collection of Souls (+9)
70 1 9 12 9 8 10 1

Collection of Souls (+29)
73 1 9 12 9 8 10 1

Cyclops Battlefiend (+74)
71 3 5 30 7 6 60 1 - 2

Cyclops Battlefiend (+79)
71 3 5 30 7 6 60 1 - 2

Death Guard (+17)
30 1 12 20 8 15 40 1

Death Guard (+10)
30 1 12 20 8 15 40 1

Death Harvester (+40)
55 1 11 12 9 8 35 1

Eternal Lich (+18)
80 1 16 13 9 11 42 4 - 6

Eternal Lich (+28)
80 1 16 13 9 11 42 4 - 6

Moga Aviator (+28)
16 2 10 9 9 8 30 1 - 2

Moga Aviator (+23)
16 2 10 9 9 8 30 1 - 2

Oozing Slag (+92)
59 2 5 5 9 9 50 1

Oozing Slag (+86)
59 2 5 5 9 9 50 1

Parasitic Fesh (+52)
69 2 6 6 11 6 31 1

Parasitic Fesh (+59)
69 2 6 6 11 6 31 1

Revenant (+23)
26 1 15 6 9 14 25 1 - 2

Revenant (+33)
26 1 15 6 9 14 25 1 - 2
SPELL COST FACTION 6 (30)
Decay 45
Implant 35
Implant 35
Limit 25
Mobilization 50
Mobilization 50
RELIC COST DEF HP FACTION 1 (30)
Tome of Hate 45 2 12
EQUIPMENT COST FACTION 2 (30)
Diamond Mace 30
Slaver's Whip 40

Looks pretty good. I'm using something similar. One question, though. What is the point of the angels. They don't seem to serve any purpose and other things could replace them.

[DfosterW]

Looks pretty good. I'm using something similar. One question, though. What is the point of the angels. They don't seem to serve any purpose and other things could replace them.

The point of the angels are two fold. Gift of fertility and Pull. In my experience, slags are an incredible early draw, and an angel can make them better.

That said, I've been playing with them, and I really can't make them work. For gift to be truly useful, you need them early, and that just doesn't jive well with the tempo hit they entail. Also, since pull is actually on them, it's almost always accounted for. Just my .02

[gconstable]

I'm not sure whether gift affects replicate. i tried it and I don't think it reduced the CD.

[hughmann]

I've tried to get FW/SP decks to work before but aside from my proto-necromoga thing I ran the week DoW launched I've never gotten it to quite work. As amazing as all the synergy in the factions is theres always big problems.

#1 complicated/difficult setup

#2 many of the combo runes are not that good

#3 the two weakest faction bonuses- halved!

[saevio17]

I'm playing with this but not working very well....
wonder what should i do with it...
1. I think i need more magic dmg.
2. I think the faction bonus sux and my voidhowler spawn at 8 speed really hurts

2 bile zombie
2 death guards
2 executioner
2 cyclopse shaman
2 eternal liches
2 hynaid witchdoctor
1 exile
2 voidhowler

2 Avalanche
2 Implant
2 Mobilization
1 Soulreave
2 Suicidal Attack

2 Echo Chamber
1 Rock Trap
1 Tome of Hate

1 Sacrificial Dagger
1 Vicious Harpoon

[Sammich]

The Angels are nice as a piece that can actually stay on the board, and they provide some much-needed magic damage. Gift and Pull are bonuses, really - not sure whether I want to stay with these two, or switch back to the Dreaded Ladies.

[LoveJohnny]

I have a good one.

you can swallow whole champions you control.

=p enjoy

[DfosterW]

I have a good one.

you can swallow whole champions you control.

=p enjoy

That is quite interesting.....



On a side note, the original deck I designed here only worked 'relatively' effectively. What did work was the constant synergy, and the cheap units that it has. What didn't work was the fact that it just had too difficult a time killing stuff, and relied on a couple clutch tricks, that, once known about, weren't too hard to work around. (The voidhowler-suicidal attack combo was surprisingly difficult to get off).

Also, as others have pointed out, the two bonuses are definitely the ones that seem the weakest. If the deck had +1 spd,+2 dmg for example, I think it'd be insanely better. Ohwell.

[Sammich]

Mobi with in-gear Battlefiends is REALLY hard to avoid. I just had a fight on the big SP map where I chewed through the Teddy Bear, Mena AND the Big Green Dragon Of Doom. It's a patience deck... something I'm not exactly known for, but it's kind of hilarious to have your opponent be all "I'm fine back here with my thirteen speed Menal...HOLYCRAPHEJUSTKILLEDMENAFROMFULLHP". **** like that.

Seriously, the new Death Benny toys are just too damned good to pass up. Oh, and Pull has been INDISPENSABLE.

[Sammich]

I suppose the Swallow Whole thing is kinda nice, lets you Dom, run it closer, then Swallow. Still, a little inefficient, might as well just Mobi.

[DfosterW]

I suppose the Swallow Whole thing is kinda nice, lets you Dom, run it closer, then Swallow. Still, a little inefficient, might as well just Mobi.

I'm thinking it could be fun with a mini stealth/possession module. just wish it was more usable. (RIP ethereal soldiers)... getit?

[BrayBray7]

Here is the death benefit BG i was able to run into the top 50.

SP
x2 Cyclops Nemisis 49 nora, 11sp hp
x2 Voil Transporters
x2 Cyclops Battlefiends
x2 Moga Aviators
x2 Mud Eles 59 nora build

x2 Implant
x1 Avalanch
x1 Diamond Mace
x1 Earthshaker's Braclet

I don't see anyone running nemisis or transporters for some reason,and i feel slags fail.

FW
x2 CoS 11sp
x2 Bile Zombie Exert 2
x2 Revenant Base
x2 Eternal Lich Expensive
x1 Bird detec and dead eater.

x2 Mobilization
x1 Essence Drain
x1 Sac Dagger
x1 Tomb
x1 Soulreave


I find the BG way too draw dependent. I need one of the two nora gen runes out, a death benefit rune out, and enough other champs to fight.
The only thing I havent tried are bloodrage death gaurds. I would probably take out a rev and a bile for them.
I also get totally screwed by aerial blockade.

Also, Mud Eles seem to be the one wierd slot. If I had SP angels i would probably run them but I don't. I might change them for shamans or moga cannons.

[DagdaTuath]

this seems to be a fun deck