Help with a Voil BG

[Nitebane21]

My friend was a big SP player and quit so he let me use his account. I have all the voils and stuff so I thought I would try them out but I'm having some trouble. I tried SP/IS, using IS for nora gen and healing but it isn't working very well. Too much support stuff, not enough speedy or damaging champs. Since I have the warbanner, I thought maybe FF SP voils would be the way to go. Still struggling a bit though, between the voils' low hp and high cost I can't really seem to get something cohesive. I'm testing 2 bgs, but both are fairly lackluster.

BG 1:
COST ATK DEF SPD DAM HP

2xVoil Bomber - 89 9sp, bomb 3, mobility, 41hp
2xVoil Lancer - 69 11sp, 46hp
2xVoil Lifestealer - 79 11sp, 10dam, 42hp
2xVoil Queen - 89 11sp, mobility, 50hp
2xVoil Sorcerer - 85 11sp. Can't decide on Vuln-Fire for 79 nora, Vuln-Fire + 44hp for 84 nora or no vuln + 42hp for 88 nora
2xVoil Transporters - 74 nora 11sp, mobility, 41hp

2xAvalanche
2xRock Trap
1xTribal Post

1xBall & Chain (for stopping teleporters) or 1x Cyclops Belt (because kb is fun)
2xBag of Boulders

The 2nd bg involve 2xFirebombers, 2xCavernkeepers and Dirge, but really lacks range. I take out Ball&Chain, 1xBag, an Avalanche, a Lancer and a Lifestealer.

[fireball94]

Your champs seem on the expensive side.

Other than that, 2 Frenzies and 1 Cavernspawns would work better than two Lancers and two Lifestealers and maybe a Cavernkeeper or a second Cavernspawn.

Bag of Boulders isn't very good. Maybe replace them with an Unstable Grounds or Bad Blood and a Cyclops Eye Belt.

[Nitebane21]

They are on the expensive side. Why Frenzies? I looked them over but they didn't seem like anything too exciting. I like the lancer just because its a fast champ for 69 nora with 1-2 range. Cavernspawn's Kill Frenzy seems close to useless and although it has good hp and damage and rend 1, 69 nora for sp9, decent damage and hp seemed kind of high. I've been thinking Cavernkeepers would be good but wasn't sure if I could keep them right next to a voil at all times and all they're good for is first aid 2, a whole 4hp or 8 if you're lucky.

Bag of Boulders is there primarily to increase my ranged champ number, specifically the Queens. Being able to take advantage of their really high damage while keeping them out of harm's way is nice. I'd really like to get a bad blood in there, not only for damage but for detection as well but I don't have one.

[fireball94]

Courier?

Mountain Lion (biased opinion)?

Cyclops Seer? Triples as a poisoner and healer. Curse is also nice.

[Nitebane21]

Eh, I don't think I can get a Diplo. The Seer seems very interesting though. I think I'll swap out either 1 Lancer, 1 Lifestealer or 2xLifestealers for 2 Seers. 9sp, poison 1, detect 2, sustain, 45hp for 64 nora sounds pretty sweet. Would I be better off taking out an Avalanche instead of one of the voils? Seems like most people just run 1.

[fireball94]

Eh, I don't think I can get a Diplo. The Seer seems very interesting though. I think I'll swap out either 1 Lancer, 1 Lifestealer or 2xLifestealers for 2 Seers. 9sp, poison 1, detect 2, sustain, 45hp for 64 nora sounds pretty sweet. Would I be better off taking out an Avalanche instead of one of the voils? Seems like most people just run 1.

It's your preference that matters. Most of us just run 1.

[sahaal]

I prob wouldnt run 2 seers in a voil deck, they are support creatures. Id run a pitwolf over a second seer. If you need poison, run a hyanid, if you need detection run hunters.

[fireball94]

I prob wouldnt run 2 seers in a voil deck, they are support creatures. Id run a pitwolf over a second seer. If you need poison, run a hyanid, if you need detection run hunters.

Shh! I am getting people to like 2x2's! But seriously, Seer is a 4 in 1 rune... Debuff, Detection, Sustain, and Poison DoT.

[Nitebane21]

Shh! I am getting people to like 2x2's! But seriously, Seer is a 4 in 1 rune... Debuff, Detection, Sustain, and Poison DoT.

Both the hunters and the wolf are 2x2 as well aren't they? And I have to agree with you on the 4 in 1 package that is the Seer. It doesn't do any of them really well, but does 4 things decently, and for cheap. And I can see Afflict having it's uses now and then.

[sahaal]

Maybe my message wasnt clear. Im all for 1 seer, im just anti dedicating 2 spots to her as shes jack of all trades, master of none, and sp needs masters.

[fireball94]

Oh yeah. 2 slots isn't worth it outside of a Cyclops bg. Just 1 will do.

[Nitebane21]

Ok, I took out an Avalanche and a Lancer for 2x Seers. Reason why I put 2 in is because except for the 2 sorcerers, all of my damage is physical. Poison DOT + Debuff + Miniscule healing + Detect + Not phys damage = interest in trying out 2.

[fireball94]

Ok, I took out an Avalanche and a Lancer for 2x Seers. Reason why I put 2 in is because except for the 2 sorcerers, all of my damage is physical. Poison DOT + Debuff + Miniscule healing + Detect + Not phys damage = interest in trying out 2.

Use a Cannon for fire damage.

[Nitebane21]

Oh yeah, ok. That'll help in the range dept as well. Next question:
2xVoil Sorcerer - 85 11sp. Can't decide on Vuln-Fire for 79 nora, Vuln-Fire + 44hp for 84 nora or no vuln + 42hp for 88 nora

Leaning toward option 2, although there's so much fire out there and with no cleanse and no healing I kinda hate to make my champs even more vulnerable. Buuuut, 49hp with the banner is pretty tempting.

[fireball94]

I run 84 (2).

[darkpally5]

my friend runs a lifestealer and a lancer as well as a batswarm in the top 1000.....

[fireball94]

my friend runs a lifestealer and a lancer as well as a batswarm in the top 1000.....

Top 1000 isn't really that hard to break... I just get disconnected in a lot of my games... Including ranked ones. :(

[sahaal]

Top 1000 isn't really that hard to break... I just get disconnected in a lot of my games... Including ranked ones. :(

Yeah im in the 1000 range, and i got here playing FF moga. Voil should far surpass me lol.

[AlphaOzcar]

Drop mobility on Queen, Bomber, and Transporter.
Lifestealer and bag of boulders are really not that good.