SL Faction Bonus.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by bagoftrick, Feb 2, 2017.

  1. bagoftrick

    bagoftrick I need me some PIE!

    It should not work like tough 2. it should simply reduce basic attack damage by 2. as it is now its pretty ridiculous.
     
  2. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    It is not tough 2 as it only prevents champion sourced damage.
     
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  3. bagoftrick

    bagoftrick I need me some PIE!

    that doesnt change it from being over the top. thats a few relics and dots. most damage is champion sourced.
     
  4. davre

    davre The Benevolent Technofascist

    There are things in SL that are OP right now. The bonus is not one of them.
     
  5. Tweek516

    Tweek516 I need me some PIE!

    But SL is pretty bonkers
     
  6. calisk

    calisk I need me some PIE!

    it was crazy at first but I got used to it.

    it's still not as good as kf's but pretty close so if one is fine then I can't see doing anything to the sl bonus
     
  7. darklord48

    darklord48 Forum Royalty

    How many attacks do you use to kill the average SL champ? If it is 5, then the bonus is on the same scale as ST's bonus. If it is less, then the bonus is worse, if it is more, than it is better. That doesn't take into account that ST's bonus works against all forms of damage.
     
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  8. calisk

    calisk I need me some PIE!

    not exactly true.

    it reduces damage from a lot of things like auras, pings, bombs, etc and what not that can reduce damage outside of attacks.
     
  9. darklord48

    darklord48 Forum Royalty

    True, I was using attacks in a general sense but was not explicit about it.
     
  10. themacca

    themacca Master of Challenges

    The SL bonus is strong. But there are times where 2 damage reduction isn't going to matter at all and also some times it doesn't apply.

    And in saying that. The kf, UD, ST, SP, FS, IS, FW bonuses are also strong. So I'm not sure why this is a complaint
     
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  11. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    The old bonus was better at stopping one-rounding.

    This one is better at stopping chip damage.

    Overall, I think it's relatively equal and in many situations it doesn't actually make much of a difference (it makes a different in terms of your damage calculations, but less so in terms of overall balance).
     
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  12. SPiEkY

    SPiEkY King of Jesters

    The Math bonus was OP
     
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  13. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    True.
     
  14. DiCEM0nEY

    DiCEM0nEY I need me some PIE!


    Macca, the FW bonus is garbage. The low end FW champions are strong, and have a strong synergy with the bonus. That does not make the bonus strong.

    The IS Bonus is also not strong, except for a clan which RELIES on spell damage (maybe UD).


    Here is what I mean. If you gave all of the FW champions +1 speed and mobility, they would be very strong still. If you gave all the KF champions 60% cooldown reduction and DMZ, they most likely, would not be strong.
     
  15. DiCEM0nEY

    DiCEM0nEY I need me some PIE!

    One thing to note is that Regeneration stacks really well with the bonus, only KF and FS, ST have that kind of synergy between bonus and font. (I say FS because they can heal their units back and snowball harder, and ST is strong at occupying areas of the map with RAW hp.)

    I don't have an opinion one way or another, but it certainly very powerful at times.
     
  16. themacca

    themacca Master of Challenges

    Can you please stop sharing your opinions. My God man its getting ridiculous
     
  17. Somnolence

    Somnolence The King of Potatoes

    FW's bonus is not garbage. It works well with the themes in the faction. Worms won't work unless the champs have reduced CDs, nor would skelle, zombies, or even lich. FW champs are generally weaker (either lower hp or no defensive ability) when compared to other factions and would thus die easier. The faction's ability to have champs come back on the board is an advantage that no other factions have.

    Imagine if IS had the FW bonus, Bastion would come back after like 6 turns? That's pretty good considering how tanky AND strong that guy is.
     
  18. DiCEM0nEY

    DiCEM0nEY I need me some PIE!

    he would come back after 11 turns, and no that is not good, its garbage.

    also, if you lose a 95+ nora cost unit, you are going to lose the game 9/10 times. Not to mention that SP has the ability for champs to come back on the board with reduced costs, and FS has a straight half font per turn extra nora.
     
  19. davre

    davre The Benevolent Technofascist

    False
     
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  20. DiCEM0nEY

    DiCEM0nEY I need me some PIE!

    isn't it 1 cd per 5 nora?
     

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