Forest Lerper Nerf

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ItsQtotheT, Jul 11, 2017.

  1. ItsQtotheT

    ItsQtotheT The King of Potatoes

    Way too under-costed and broken damage with 8 speed, this champion should not be able to single-handedly carry the entire BG while boosting snake charmers heal in the background.
     
  2. Regulate

    Regulate I need me some PIE!

    Looks like someone just lost to something
     
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  3. Baskitkase

    Baskitkase Forum Royalty

    Mebe it was the boosting snake charmers?
     
  4. DiCEM0nEY

    DiCEM0nEY I need me some PIE!

    It's undercosted, 100% agree.
     
  5. Markoth

    Markoth Lord Inquisitor

    I dont really have an issue with Lerper itself but dont think Startle should be giving the damage boost from destealthing itself. As it is, it is similar to Assassinate 1 but 7 nora cheaper. If the lerper double attacks out of stealth it can even outperform Assassinate.
     
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  6. Braxzee

    Braxzee I need me some PIE!

    It is easy for a 8 spd champ to double attack our of startle. You do not hear complaints about sleeping yeti which is built around startle. I do think it is time to maybe look at the costing of assassinate and not increasing the cost of startle. It just happens that lerper is in a very good environment to be very successful versus sleeping yeti.

    I do feel (I have no real proof of it) that the stealth themes in Pox have been nerfed to be non-existent. I feel that way as I see very weak/support/summoner champs or champs susceptible to assassinate running to the front of battle with no detection support not being very afraid of a possible assassin or one being drawn out as these champs seem to be around in the 90's for nora and there are better options for 75 nora and less for a more reliable one turn kill options. (Like lerper) I would argue due to the assassinate AP/CD that is spent the actual damage output would be lower than say a champ similar to lerper that does not have to spend time on CD and allocate much AP to stealth to find the good timing to pounce.
     
  7. Etherielin

    Etherielin The Floof Cultist

    Remember when I said it's going to be crazy and nobody lifted a finger? :p
     
  8. Cinder405

    Cinder405 I need me some PIE!

    After looking at the title. Am I the only one that thought the Forest Lerper finally got toned down.
     
  9. Markoth

    Markoth Lord Inquisitor

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  10. Fentum

    Fentum I need me some PIE!

    The Lerper needs a Cloak of Long Knives to get the best out of him. With the occasional brand of brutality...
     
  11. DiCEM0nEY

    DiCEM0nEY I need me some PIE!

    does startle stack? rofl
     
  12. Etherielin

    Etherielin The Floof Cultist

  13. Fentum

    Fentum I need me some PIE!

    Doesn't stack but the shadow shift and automatic stealth after every attack works well.

    Similar concept to Deep Elf Maneater with Deep Wounds to escalate damage.
     
  14. ItsQtotheT

    ItsQtotheT The King of Potatoes

    Cool bg idea you should make it
     
  15. Fentum

    Fentum I need me some PIE!

    I have! Usually hits for around 50 damage.

    Twice
     
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  16. Lushiris

    Lushiris I need me some PIE!

    Startle is one of "those" abilities, which if taken from stat powerhouses to efficient champions, would be at the very least obnoxious (like Creativity). My suggestion is always to keep such abilities on the original champions as intended at creation, but given that's hardly ever possible I just hope the original champions don't get butchered as consequence of future nerfs.
     
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  17. DiCEM0nEY

    DiCEM0nEY I need me some PIE!

    Huh
     
  18. calisk

    calisk I need me some PIE!

    Lushi lives sleeping yeti, of which i believe this ability originated.

    Either way I have no idea, lerper is played sleeping yeti is not, i think it's good it's seeing play
     
  19. Braxzee

    Braxzee I need me some PIE!

    You got this 100% right. Champs through out Pox have been butchered in this manner. Another example herder was OP in zombies but not for beasts.
    Startle on lerper does not even make sense anyways, it should be on a bear or Garu or a Yeti and possibly a Dragon. KB is another ability that should not be thrown around either.
     
  20. Markoth

    Markoth Lord Inquisitor

    Startle was originally on an elf.
     
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