Last attempt at saving UD

I actually do, but I planning on doing that a bit later.

 

Agreed - Demon race tag tends to hold A LOT of UD runes back. Minos have always had their own ecosystem within UD because of not having it, which allowed Sok and the devs before him to freely shape them as a theme.

 

back when DV was the stable I removed spells like fading and sacrifice because the rush game was the main focus of UD where u win or die by rushing and draining a champion so sacrifice really wasnt going to play a major aspect.

The global effect is why certain spells like mindslicer boomerang are one of the best in UD and thats why DV was so great (i know this is becoming more repitive and i am sorry )

 

Im just going to drop in, Hi

Deep elves are very strong, but a certain spell not working against other UD decks is a total boner for them.

That's all i wanted to say

 

I honestly don't get where everybody is coming from. I for one think that DEP is perfectly fine, but that since the majority thinks otherwise, they're most likely right. Anyways, new Recharge on her would be perfect; how much nora would she be?

 

Em, no they're not. They suck.

 

Just for the record this discussion for me was the main purpose of this thread and no making actual finalised changes or propositions. I know I took a fair bit of ur time today but I am more than happy to go through any of the items on that list and discuss it or any UD related balance topic but the attitude by certain players that most of the themes are fine is frustrating

 

lets play a best of 3 or 5 minos vs demons and see how we do

 

Try abusing grims treachery, then come back & tell me that again

 

It implicitly defines the way the champs are designed and how the function. Because minos are not demons, they don't have access to a whole set of spells, relics, equips and abillities that are designed for demons, and so that lets them freely develop their own interactions without any fear of reprecussions that it might cause to the whole array of champions with Race: Demon.

 

shocker, they would lose to the thing i just said they dont work against.

 

Try playing something other than FW (preferably UD demon elves) and then come back & tell me again.

 

you said that? do you imagine they are better than say? dragon? jakei? yetis?

I want to understand ur definition of ''very strong''

 

Not sure if it's a good idea for it to be on upgrades. She shouldn't be too cheap if she gets that abillity. She was solid and runnable at 72 nora, being at 69 with Recharge should be just fine.

 

DEP IS fine. She is a well balanced and effective champion.

It's just that some people have the attitude that because a rune used to be stronger that means the current version is underpowered or deserves buffs.

This has always been the attitude of many players, and if it was pandered too then you would either get no change in decks from expansion to the next or you'd get power creep as new runes need to be even stronger than the staples to see play.