Russian collusion

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by super71, Apr 11, 2018.

  1. Varthas

    Varthas I need me some PIE!

    Also those russians who fired the missile, first they post on social media that they have downed a Ukraine millitary transport plane, wich was before it was known to be a civilian plane, but as soon as the info got known the social media posts got removed.

    Wich was also backed up with intercepted phone calls where the millitants was cheering after they "downed a Ukraine millitary transport plane".
     
  2. Geressen

    Geressen Forum Royalty

    Yeah but Russia is still playing the blame Ukraine game.
    and @Alakhami believes his goverment more than he should which is funny because he is pointing out the same in the Americans.
     
  3. Alakhami

    Alakhami I need me some PIE!

    it's got nothing to do with my deductive abillities. I literally have no idea what you're talking about. Probably cause I'm not a politics geek, whether that's for the better or worse.
     
  4. Alakhami

    Alakhami I need me some PIE!

    I really don't understand why you keep thinking that I actually share the same sentiments as pro-Russians, or the so-called "vatniks". I've always been a heavy critic of Putin, especially of his domestic policies, which have become absolutely catastrophic -- if not outright malicious -- for the Russian economy and spirit.
     
  5. Geressen

    Geressen Forum Royalty

    so you are saying you have not yet deduced what I was talking about but this has nothing to do with your deductive skills?
    oh not generally
    but on the topic of which I speak you regurgitated Russian propaganda and dismissed findings of other countries and independent journalist and research as fake news and conspiracy.

    I have memories, I reference them sometimes.
     
  6. Varthas

    Varthas I need me some PIE!

    Right i see.

    To be "the devils advocate" or something the like he has a point in that it wasn`t really executed from Moscow, but it was a Moscow delivered missile. And Ukraine also have those right? So "in theory" the Russian denial game is not a 100% wrong but not also a 100% right in itself. They did deliver a high tech missile with only 1 local radar command centre wich is the minium the firing team need to launch the missile. This system under a state command is normaly guided by primary radars under airforce command wich does know the difference between a civilian and a millitary plane. So when they deny responsibility they can do so but it doesn`t look very pretty.

    And i think it also has parallell to the UK spy poisoning cases, both the Polonium210 and the nerve agent ones, it is the same war of denials and blame games, and they tend to fissle out between states, no matter how good the evidences are.
     
  7. Alakhami

    Alakhami I need me some PIE!

    well by now I have, but initially -- no. On the topic of Ukraine? For your info, I'm anti-Crimea.
     
  8. super71

    super71 I need me some PIE!

  9. super71

    super71 I need me some PIE!

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-re...g-untruthful-slime-ball-125324864.html?exp=vv

    Why is a former FBI director allowed to write a book detailing anything he did while working for the American people, all I see now is everyone looking for a little extra cash. Stormy Daniels, Comey, it's a joke.

    If they had anything big enough to impeach, he'd be gone, they don't. It's democrats being sore losers, and not moving on after their evil ruler Hilary didn't win.

    For the incoming I'm a sexist comments, I'm very much looking forward to the first female president, but no way in hell did I want evil Hilary. I feel America has many qualified women candidates that didn't ride the coat tails of their creepy husband to political gain.
     
  10. Gaverion

    Gaverion I need me some PIE!

    It is amusing that you don't read the articles you post. One is a tabloid cover which I don't think should surprise anyone. The "door man" article literally says that the story was never released for lack of evidence.


    Just circling back to the raid of trump's lawyer's place. I believe it had to do with finding proof it was to help his image in the campaign which would be a violation of campaign finance laws.
     
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  11. super71

    super71 I need me some PIE!

    Then why was it released, that is my point. This is why fake news is even a thing, if it was proven to not be true, and their was no evidence, why make an article still ? It's just to slander and this is largely my problem with the current media attacks.

    I wanna see evidence of Russian collusion or anything of substance, daily attacks like this are just getting old, and it's perfectly painting the picture that trump wanted painted. The media is fake, and everyone is out to get him. They are proving his point every single day. Also the FBI has stated they were looking for multiple different things just hoping something sticks. Now the FBI says they are looking for the payment made to stormy Daniels, I don't give a Firk if they do find a payment. She is a porn star, she was paid for sex, got paid to be quiet, and now wants paid again, free publicity. It's sad the new idolizes a woman that makes a living having sex.

    Why is trump so disliked compared to previous presidents is my big question, could it be because he's shaking things up from the norm and politicians, FBI , CIA , etc don't like it ?
     
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  12. Varthas

    Varthas I need me some PIE!

    Ok here is the thing; you yourself said that fake news that get published anyways are ment to slander.

    And this is the root of the Russian investigation, because several high profiled democrates got rammed by fake news(most likely created in Russia, but it is a ongoing investigation to find the origins.....) during the presidental election.

    Some of these fake news where directed against specific people around Hillary, some of wich where major contributors to her campaign, and the allegations and the fake news stories where among topics like "sex with minors". Everything but the names where false and fake news, yet these stories got spread on social media in the (100) of millions, creating a fake public relations picture. Wich could in theory if done in a large enough scale help tip the scale in a election. Fake news that is. Wich you yourself are clearly against.

    Then it is the cambridge analytica wich where also doing large scale public relations operations based on meta data from facebook, wich could also in theory help to tip the scale in a presidental election.

    And this is what the special council is about, and more than this. If the president wanted to pay for silence during a presidental election, lets say in example Stormy, would that be valuable information for a person going to vote? Yes ofcourse, hence it is why it is mandatory to be open on any money spent on a presidental campaign, but Trump didn`t tell about it, and that "might" be against the rules for a participant during a election, as far as i have understood this mess.
     
  13. super71

    super71 I need me some PIE!

    What was fake news about the democrats scandals, and which democrat campaign funder are you speaking about specifically, their are a lot of them that were accused of touching kids over the last few years.

    Obama did the same thing trump did with Facebook, it's just getting more press now because a republican used it this time.

    If we're being open on money spent during campaigns, I'm curious if you'd like to see where Hilary got all hers ? The majority came from other countries, and the rest came from large corporations, Facebook, etc.

    I don't care if stormy was paid anything ever, it is of no relevance to me, just as Clinton sexual misconduct was irrelevant and Kennedys was also. They are democrats though, so that was buried.
     
  14. Varthas

    Varthas I need me some PIE!

    What was fake news about the democrats scandals, and which democrat campaign funder are you speaking about specifically, their are a lot of them that were accused of touching kids over the last few years.

    "I don`t remember but if you don`t wanna wait for the special investegation you can google it, it is likely a wiki-page that sum the most well known cases of fake news and who got rammed."


    Obama did the same thing trump did with Facebook, it's just getting more press now because a republican used it this time.

    "So you are saying Trump knew about Cambridge Analytical? Because Trump deny being involved."


    If we're being open on money spent during campaigns, I'm curious if you'd like to see where Hilary got all hers ? The majority came from other countries, and the rest came from large corporations, Facebook, etc.

    "No i am not curious, at least in general, but lets say if she in example sold sex to finance her presidental election, maybe some of the voters would have found that interesting, as some of the voters would have found it interesting if Trump paid a prostitute during election."


    I don't care if stormy was paid anything ever, it is of no relevance to me, just as Clinton sexual misconduct was irrelevant and Kennedys was also. They are democrats though, so that was buried.

    "Agreed, not that i cared to mutch about unorthodox use of cigars or a sperm stained womans dress but it was alot of people who found that interesting nevertheless, and it also had quite a impact, and perhaps Stormy will aswell."
     
  15. super71

    super71 I need me some PIE!

    Never should have used missles in syria, it's none of our business what's going on over there. If Assad used chemical weapons, which we didn't have enough info to act on, then fine launch away. I'm tired of wasting time in the Middle East for nothing.
     
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  16. Varthas

    Varthas I need me some PIE!

    The Mericans are there for the same reasons as the Russians, Oil. Right now there are more missiles than oil so there is a trade war going on, trading missiles for oil.

    It is likely to last as long as there is missiles and oil, so don`t hold youre breath mate!
     
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  17. Geressen

    Geressen Forum Royalty

    The russians are there mostly because Assad is allied to them and his replacement with a more American-oriented goverment would be bad for them.

    America is there because they just can't stop sticking their noses in places for the same reason they did in all those other places. and would prefer a different goverment.

    several European countries might be bombing Syria because Isis, however they molstly try and leave the rebels, Kurd and assad forces alone. the Netherlands for example doesn't bomb Isis in Syria because too messy (like how Turkey and Russia are shooting eachothers stuff down sometimes) and only bombs Isis in Iraq

    Russia needs allies because it does not have easy acces to the ocean. and it likes to have a buffer zone becase there are no large natural obstacles on its borders. so the expansion of Nato and the EU might worry them, but the US moving against Assad would be an obvious move against their interests.

    Turkey is in Syria because a new country ruled by the Kurds would be bad for the,


    so to summarize and simplify Syria:

    Assad goverment dislikes: Kurds, Rebels, isis
    Turks dislikes: Kurds, isis
    Kurds dislikes: Isis, Turks
    Russia dislikes: rebels, Isis, US
    Eu dislikes: Isis
    US dislikes: Isis, Assad Goverment, russia
    rebels dislikes: Assad, Russia
    isis dislikes: p-much erryone xept some allied rebel groups.
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2018
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  18. Geressen

    Geressen Forum Royalty

    also @super71 do you think maybe investigations are there in order to find out if such proof exists or are you maintaining the
    "STOP INVESTIGATING SHOW THE PROOF OR SHUT UP" narrative you keep repeating that i making you look like a moron?
     
  19. Geressen

    Geressen Forum Royalty

    the memes are fun though

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  20. Varthas

    Varthas I need me some PIE!

    Even tho the so called isis hate p-much everyone and everything about the west, they still seem to drink coca-cola, pepsi-cola and i seen mediapictures of them driving ol audis, toyotas, and even using walkie-talkies and sometimes cellphones. Aswell as AK47, AKM`s, RPG`s, they even have social-media and broadcasting technology.

    I wonder if they sometimes stop and think about who made the sh!t they utilise, love and joy?

    What a bunch of morons.
     
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