Two changes that would go a long way for SL.

As a new patch is incoming, let me slap you with some wisdom.

1. Myx Sandsnipe needs to get his 4-7 range back, revert the change.
2. Ravenspeaker needs attack: magical

Myx sandsnipe

There is no range in Myx. Without the excuse of evasive, absorb or any other ability that would make up for running a full melee bg. There is also no relocation or becon, nor spot AP gen support units. Aka, your melee just have to runs up and count it's losses. It's just mindblowing how the whole theme got shoeboxed with this change and we got nothing to show for it. You have some midrange champs in Arthropods (which seem to be half myx now, I guess), but the krikkenwings can't carry your range. It's just not possible to pressure with midrange champs when facing long range champs. Myx Sandlion is next to useless in the myx theme. It doesn't add up to the buildup style other than broodbond, it doesn't cover weak spots in the theme. It's just another melee. SL's meta is tight on range, it would be awesome to have a choice on what ranged champ to run instead of just scrolling between cannon, rocket and negamages.

Ravenspeaker

Attack: Magical. Sundered Lands has always had problems with magical damage. From the start of Pox there's only been a handful of champs at a certain moment that were runnable and had attack: magical. With the prevalence of AA, FW ghosts, physical resist champs, etc we need to stop giving everything in SL att physical. It's horrendous to look at most meta bgs and realise that you only have a handful of non-physical attack damage champions. All SLs bomb champs got nerfed, so that alternate damage is gone.
Honestly, raven attack or not. He's a druid summoning magical ravens that shoot lasers. I don't care how you justify it in the lore.

The faction has been quite poor since the revamp, these two changes should give it a nice little boost without taking the powerlevel of said runes too high.



Feel free to discuss this, though I feel like it's that obvious that it's more of a given.

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I support both of these changes.

 

I would also like to advocate 2 small changes as well.

1. give skezz trapper back poison trap
2. give dune walker grant trail

 

When exactly did we start to take stats into account when we price a rune? Someone needs to call ST, they want their jokes back.

Anyhow, I could live with 5 or 6 range. 4 would be pointless. But it's downright silly that it got to melee to begin with. Myx need range, SL needs range.

 

4-7 range makes a rune extremely expensive. Look at Menalaus. Even with the hero discount he is 94 nora. It is actually an interesting comparison as Menalaus and sandlion have the same damage, hp, and mena has 1 more speed. They both have strong abilities so I would be shocked if the sandlion is given 4-7 range, keeps his abilities, and stays below 100 nora if we are sticking to the formula (Menalaus has -15 because he is a hero). Obviously a 100 nora sandsnipe/lion would not be runnable and I think it would say more about how harsh the formula can be on range rather than saying a 4-7 range sandlion at 90 nora is op.

 

Someone needs to let Jakei Elder that he's OP then. oh wait

Anyhow like i said. I'm completely fine with less range or adjustments from what he had before, myx just need something.

 

it doesnt have to keep its stats with a change in range and it doesnt have to be 7 max range. it could easily be 5 or 6 max range with farshot. sniper flavor.

 

Elven archer body: 9 DMG, 6 SPD, 5-7 RNG, 0 DEF, 34 HP, cost: 55 nora
You have to kit him with the following abilities:
brood bond (2 nora)
Domain sand (4 nora)
Scour (3/6/9)
Distract (4)
Multiattack 1 (8)
desert camouflage (2)

Doesn't look like it would be too costly.

 

According to this he would cost 78-84 nora. Putting 34 hp on such an expensive rune is risky but I suppose that is the price of range with the formula now...building the sandsnipe in a similar mold to the elder would be interesting.

 

Read my post again, I was saying it was not OP. Just pointing out how the formula seems to overprice range, especially minimum range when a champion already has a long maximum range.

 

I know I wasn't specifically taking you on or anything.

It was more like a general remark concerning the formula

 

elder's body costs 60 nora (+5) for +1 damage and + 6 hp looks like a better deal

 

domain sand base to avoid mantle madness.

 

Less range not more doesn't make sense when there is no range. Let's try dividing/multiplying by zero.

That said, instead of incredible base turret range, let's give it 3-5 range + preparation (10 nora)+ hidden: sand (3 nora). Maybe that will lower costs a bit without compromising on base stats

 

I support both changes (6 range is good), but don't you dare start suggesting upgrade paths like this. . . seriously, it needs to stahp!

GIMME DYNAMIC UPGRADE PATHS OR GIMME DEATH! (by Rend!)

 

Gibe rend please.
huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue

 

Honestly he doesn't even need desert camo. So what he's in the sand in the picture, it's not like we're taking lore seriously here.

 

Nerf SL tho

 

Honestly, Id rather not have an auto x2 include for so lang splashed in every single SL again.
Ask for a new mix to have range, or another range enabler of some sort. But please lets not try to revert runes to their pre revamp status.

Edit: while we are at it also a couple of changes that would go a long way on SL would be nerf to Krikinwing Alpha and Quicken.

 

It'd be awesome if the expac could hit before Christmas so I can get to playing Myx without crying every time I make the bg

 

sandsnipe got scalped. I could see him going up to 5 range. Should not be mele