Collosal Boa & AA Nerf opinions.

Discussion in 'K'Thir Forest' started by Karmavore, Nov 4, 2014.

  1. Karmavore

    Karmavore MEDIUMALLTIME

    NERF 1
    Colossal Boa
    DMG: 10 | SPD: 5 | RNG: 1-2 | DEF: 2 | 60 HP
    Base: Attack: Physical, Consume, Scale Armor, Sentry 2
    Path 1: Cleave (+8), Fearless (+2), Resilient (+6)
    Path 2: Regeneration 1 (+3), Regeneration 2 (+6), Stat Bonus: Health 2 (+5)


    OR

    NERF 2
    Colossal Boa - (NERF) [10 DMG | 5 SPD | 1-2 RNG | 1 DEF | 60HP ]
    Changes: Colossal from Base -12n // Add Scale Armour +8n // Remove tough 1/2 // Add Fearless/Resilient // -5hp // -1def //
    Path 1 = Tough1 -3n | Fearless +2n | Resilient +6n
    Path 2 =Regeneration 1/2
    (Default upgrades = Tough 1 -3n + Regen 1 -3n @ 72N


    NERF 1


    Ancestral Avenger - (Nerf) [DMG: 17 | SPD: 7 | RNG: 1 | DEF: 2 | HP: 71 ]
    Remove Corpreal Form-5N/Ghost-10N/Remove Vulnerability Magical/ +6
    ADD Phase Shift +6
    | (ABILITY COSTING CHANGES NEED TO APPLY WITH THIS PATH, PLEASE!) Titan from -8 TO 0 | Loyalty from +2 TO +7.
    Nora cost increased from 96N TO (-15|+25N @ 104N) (no nora modifications, please!)

    This eliminates the fact that I can drag + drop to win. He becomes a tempo hit, which is where a champion like this needs to be, situational. Not a constant force no matter what. Also switches him from a constant threat, and can be tapped at on his off turns. But provides as a nice roadblock in the mean time.

    Don't have a second AA nerf, was wondering your guys's opinions on this nerf.
    Also which Boa nerf is better? (Turn of the Zealot mode for a second and really think about it.)
     
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2014
  2. xezno

    xezno I need me some PIE!

    Boa nerf 1 is perfect. I would still totally run Boa and yet it does bring him down to a realistic level of power.

    As far as AA goes, help me understand why I would ever deploy a 99 nora champ who can only attack every other turn? Ethereal works on cheap units perfectly, like ethereal soldier, since its only 60 nora and provides a nice font contester every other turn. However 99 nora I want something I could potentially use every turn. He has no shield, 2 def but no other defensive abilities (besides ethereal) and range 1. I am choosing nerfed Boa and Forest giant long before this guy or is my thinking way out of line?

    I think his nerf needs to make him an entirely new champ. I know I am new but that is just my perspective.
     
  3. Karmavore

    Karmavore MEDIUMALLTIME

    Good reply, I was also considering Phase Shift instead of Ethereal.
     
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  4. Xirone

    Xirone I need me some PIE!

    Long ago, I recommended Ancestral Avenger losing Ghost (-10), Corporeal Form (-5), Phase Cleansing (-3), and Vulnerability: Magical (+6), and then gain Phase Shift (+6) and Resolute (+10). Thoughts?

    Ancestral Avenger
    DMG: 17 | SPD: 7 | RNG: 1 | DEF: 2 | 70
    Base: Attack: Physical, Phase Shift, Resolute, Titan
    Path 1: Rend 1, 2, 3
    Path 2: Loyalty, Mobility, Domain: Vegetation

    Edit I: For flavor reasons, he could also be changed from Warrior to Brute.
    Edit II: If the nora cost of Titan is going to be changed, then maybe we could shave off some stats to get his cost a little lower?
     
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2014
  5. Xirone

    Xirone I need me some PIE!

    I like certain things about both of these changes. What about a combination of them?

    Colossal Boa
    DMG: 10 | SPD: 5 | RNG: 1-2 | DEF: 2 | 60 HP
    Base: Attack: Physical, Consume, Scale Armor, Sentry 2
    Path 1: Cleave (+8), Fearless (+2), Resilient (+6)
    Path 2: Regeneration 1 (+3), Regeneration 2 (+6), Stat Bonus: Health 2 (+5)

    Edit: I love Envenom as an ability but it doesn't seem to fit as he is a boa.
     
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2014
  6. OriginalG1

    OriginalG1 I need me some PIE!

    both colossal boa concepts are cool.
     
  7. chickenpox2

    chickenpox2 I need me some PIE!

    I agree with Xirone envenom on Boa dosv't fit i think a better ability would be constriction for 4N it would fit the snake ability
    IMHO i prefer colossal since it a colossal champ keeping colossal makes more sense and on top.I don't think scale armour will do a good enough job protecting a 2x2 champ.
     
  8. WraithxxV

    WraithxxV Active Member

    Not a KF player, so take this as an outsider's perspective, but both nerfs look good to me.
    On Boa option 1 is more flavorful, other than envenom. My only concern being a 67 nora Colossal Boa with 70 HP (boost + banner) and Fearless option. Still better than current, though!
    AA fix looks ideal, I've been in the give it Ethereal boat for a while.
     
  9. Xirone

    Xirone I need me some PIE!

    Maybe replace Envenom with Tail Sweep?
     
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  10. enuff

    enuff The King of Potatoes

    good thoughts, i agree with most of them, but I would also prefer colossal over scale armor on boa. :)
     
  11. Xirone

    Xirone I need me some PIE!

    Just a thought, but what about taking Colossal off base and change upgrade path 1 to...

    Path 1- Colossal, Scale Armor, Tough 3
     
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  12. enuff

    enuff The King of Potatoes

    sounds great !
     
  13. Karmavore

    Karmavore MEDIUMALLTIME

    Interesting.. Sadly I want to see Colossal go. I don't care if it's in his name or not. Things like this shouldnt dictate how a rune is built. In some cases, sure. But there are to many things that could be said about any champ if this was the case. Scale armor is the path I want to take.
    I like this a lot more than nerf 1, I didnt think envenom really fit either. I think that was a suggestion from @Entrepidus
     
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  14. Xirone

    Xirone I need me some PIE!

    Sentry and Scale Armor will be a definite nerf. I think you should go with it!
     
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  15. Karmavore

    Karmavore MEDIUMALLTIME

    I'm thinking so, my friend. Thanks for the suggestion! :)
     
  16. WraithxxV

    WraithxxV Active Member

    The more I think about it, giant snake scales is a perfectly decent form of Scale Armor. I approve.
     
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  17. KPIC

    KPIC Devotee of the Blood Owl

    Please help me understand. You want to remove Tough, Regen, and Colossal in place of Scale Armor and some other niceties? If not, please clarify? If yes and you are going to nerf him that much, give him back Cleave, or give him Swallow Whole; otherwise, and I will call it now, Boa is sidelined in most decks because scale armor alone reduces his tankiness too much.
     
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2014
  18. WraithxxV

    WraithxxV Active Member

    o_O
     
  19. KPIC

    KPIC Devotee of the Blood Owl

    Something useful!? It was just in passing.
     
  20. Karmavore

    Karmavore MEDIUMALLTIME

    I'm not going to just "give" Colossal Boa swallow hole because i'm slightly reducing his tankyness.
     

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