Reconstruct probably shouldn't make real champs.

It is the only ability set where AP creates real champs.

When there are spells like repurpose, sacrifice, retribution etc this seems a bit silly.

I don't think they should be summons however as that wrecks Stitched.

Maybe have a condition such as;

Reconstructed: This unit's nora cost is zero.

 

I'd be okay with "Reconstructed: This unit's nora cost is zero."

 

At least this. Sac/ret and whatnot.

They'll still be able to contest fonts which is pretty amazing.

 

Seconded.

 

Suggested years ago, no one listened Q.Q

 

sure,whatever
as long as they can contest and have upgrades

 

Or, instead of making a new condition, you could use "Clone," which already exists for this reason and does the exact same thing.

 

It wouldn't have very much impact on stitched since they don't use retri or sacrifice much - I guess some might, but it isn't standard.

So i'm not sure what the point would be.

 

I got no idea either, but if there's a change coming, it should at least use the conditions and assets already in the game.

 

Just because something isn't standard doesn't mean it should not be changed

 

Sure, but why exactly?

 

Sacrifice/Retri should not be usable on units you have gained for no nora.

 

That isn't an argument, that is just an unsupported statement.

 

I dont see why that point needs to be argued.

 

No, it's an opinion.

However, when a spell can create new champs in an AoE, why would they be real champs? Other spells with similar purposes all give summons. Are there spells that give real champs still?

 

Because it is an opinion about design and balance. Pretty much everything needs to be argued if someone takes issue with it -- the reason people don't argue every fine detail on these forums is because many of the players share some of the same assumptions and desires for the game, so they don't need to debate those.

 

well first you have to deploy bunch of units,then let them die and hope opponent is stupid enough to leave remains
and if the stars align you can ariseeee
but yea arise should get some nora up probably

 

It's an opinion that means little without reasons. I could state the opinion that all moga should wear hats, and claim it is self-evidently true. I wouldn't expect it to be taken seriously.

If we're talking about a consistency issue then fine, I can appreciate that - though that has to be weighed against the way stitched work, and whether it is fair to expose them to anti-summon abilities.

 

Yes. It is a consistency issue. Though I feel making them summoned would be too harsh to the way stitched worked, hence my suggestion of Reconstructed(no nora cost).

 

DO IT! make the change before he changes his mind!