Upcoming ranged champ nerfs

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Scathex, Jan 28, 2016.

  1. Scathex

    Scathex Member

    Sokolov just gave some preview of the planned ranged attacker nerfs and I thought this should be talked about more before it happens. He said most ranged champs would see about +4nora in cost or -4nora's worth of stats, and that he would start with champs with 5+range and work down. I was thinking I'd expand on that and see what people think about this.

    champs with range 4-5 - +3nora
    champs with range 3-5 or 5-6 - +4nora
    champs with range 4-6 or 6-7 - +5nora
    champs with range 5-7 or greater - +6nora
    champs that get to their range via empowered: range or with ammunition would only see something like +2-3 nora

    I do think ranged champs should be more severely penalized for greater range, but dont know if that scale would be too wide or something.
     
    Last edited: Jan 29, 2016
  2. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    It probably won't scale that way. It'll probably be ~4 for most things and that's that. You can expect in most cases costs to remain roughly equal and just effectiveness decreased.

    Abilities that add RNG will be examined separately, this is regarding base stats only.
     
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  3. Sealer0

    Sealer0 I need me some PIE!

    Max range 4 units are hardly a problem, and range 5 units are not that bad either.
     
  4. René Descartes

    René Descartes New Member

    Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it.
     
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  5. Wraith

    Wraith Administrator Octopi

    Such wisdom! Thank you fine philosopher sir.

    Divide and conquer.
     
  6. bambino

    bambino I need me some PIE!

    I agree with the direction of the nerf, in the sense that I would rather see them less effective as opposed to just an increase in nora... we just wanna reign them in,, not shelf em.
    either way,,, pretty interesting stuff, , I personally think its a move in the right direction for pox.
     
  7. mw24

    mw24 I need me some PIE!

    wat about nerfing the fw faction bonus? cdr is broken af.
     
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  8. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    You are right. I will reduce it to 20%/10%.
     
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  9. avichaif

    avichaif Devotee of the Blood Owl

    why u nerfing range again it's bad as it is
     
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  10. yobanchi

    yobanchi I need me some PIE!

    Tank the lards! Finally
     
  11. abrasax

    abrasax The King of Potatoes

    Don't nerf ranged remove from ranged ability like deep wounds multiattack and similar, rise nora cost will only shoeboxe most of them.
     
  12. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    The goal is to align champion costs better to their DMG potential, and not just relying on the formula only.
     
  13. mw24

    mw24 I need me some PIE!

    giving cdr at all is way overpowered, i think fw needs a new weaker faction bonus.
     
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  14. mw24

    mw24 I need me some PIE!

    its funny because that wouldnt even have much of an impact on the fw faction. not much of a difference between 60% aned 20% cdr...
    fw has the best faction bonus ever...
     
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  15. Vorian

    Vorian I need me some PIE!

    Yeh why are you prioritising a range nerf when the FW faction bonus is a bigger problem? Seriously FWs faction bonus is so bad it might as well not have a bonus at all! If you were to extend the bonus to giving a cool down reduction to everything including spells, the FW Bonus would be decent...
     
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  16. Sealer0

    Sealer0 I need me some PIE!

    Almost certain this is Vorian satirizing mw.

    Well.

    Maybe
     
  17. bambino

    bambino I need me some PIE!

    because right now we are playing a tbs where the whole game is based on range and melee is nothing more then fodder .
    thats a problem
     
  18. doubtofbuddha

    doubtofbuddha I need me some PIE!

    So what is going to happen in our new melee dominant world? Are strong melee factions (Moga, UD, Lonx) going to become ascendant??
     
  19. Alakhami

    Alakhami I need me some PIE!

    Name me some champs that are problematic with that range.
     
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  20. doubtofbuddha

    doubtofbuddha I need me some PIE!

    It seems silly to nerf range 2-4 or 3-4 champions and not nerf range 1-3 champions. I would generally waaay rather have 1-3 than 2-4 or 3-4.
     

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