this game is not advertised enought...

i invited a player recently to poxnora, he tried the game for 1.3 hours, then quit saying rubbish old graphics, can't rotate the map, cant zoom in and out, and the monsters are stupid. he did not like the game but said he completed the tutorial.

i met him on a fantasy real time strategy game also with Bane Shift graphics albeit 3d.

i offered to get him his first deck he said dont bother, will not play again.

im not taking a dig at this game, i disagree on all his points.

just putting it out there.

 

looking at te preview client im so hoping the end turn button is not all the way up left, it was fine where it was.

 

You are right, Yugioh has even bigger numbers.

 

As someone with a huge collection

Firk that Bane Shift into oblivion


sincerely Firk that Bane Shift, I was here when it was a kidney per exotic and it was cancer

 

Likewise - even a warbanner was worth a leg or two. Stuff was dumb.

 

Anyone claiming this game was better of as a CTCG is delusional.

We had more players back in the day... because people who had tried the niche game were still here, then over time more people left than joined. If even 10% of them thought that keeping this game retardedly costy for the sake of having a goal in a game was a good thing, I'll eat my shoe.

Sure it was super fun to have a harb worth a few hundred bucks. And then in the same era realize that trading was a "do you want this? Or this? Or this? Or this?" to other people, cause there were no pricing lists/guides/whatever and sharks wanted stupid amounts of stuff for what you wanted from them.

Sincerely, I hope anyone who thinks this is a great business model for this game (or any game) ****s off and never comes back.

 

Hah!

 

Then I just don't understand where are all those grateful free-to-play players are? Under what rock are they hiding? They should be delirious with happiness and playing poxnora more. Instead, I see less than 100 people online at peak time (went to about 130 with Planar Disturbances, but I assume that's temporary).

I recently saw a video on Youtube, in which a guy said that he had spent $46,000 on MTG Online. And MTG, as far as I know, doesn't give out free stuff. And people play and give them money. You can defend your business model all you want, but numbers speak for themselves.

PS. Perhaps you are right, and maybe Poxnora won't be a popular game whatever business model you use simply because the game is way too complex for a **** sapiens. And perhaps the current model is the best; I just don't see that it's working.

 

Lol, censoring the word "****" in "**** sapiens."

 

What the strawman

You just looked at two things and said: "that's definitely cause and effect right here". There's absolutely no proof that going F2P hurt the playerbase. IN FACT the playerbase has gone up since the introduction of the rune forge and all the work sok has done.

Like I said, this game is very niche. It's most likely that originally most of the playerbase was comprised of people that loved the type of game. After that poor management from SoE's side drove those players away, while there wasn't much incentive to join later on (as there is now), therefor there was no influx to compensate for the outflux.


Both the assumption that people want this game to be super costy because some guy spend 46k on MTG and that there's definitely cause and effect between pay to play and a higher playerbase are exactly what those are. Assumptions. There has been no proof whatsoever, quite the contrary (as seen before).

So until you come with something substantial I'll leave you with the good ol'

"what can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence"

 

It's better now with more access. There used to be complaints all the time about how this game was pay to win and how it was too expensive to make and maintain a competitive bg. I've seen several threads by f2p members being very grateful and I've seen more from returning players about how much better the game is now that almost everything is accessible. I used to have a lot of fun trading in this game...and then it went to Bane Shift. There were trade sharks all over the place, the few player stores were almost always out of stock of good things since the sharks abused them to keep their own profits high. The game's in a much better place now.

 

I started playing Poxnora when it was introduced on Steam (2014). At that time there were, if I remember correctly, about 300 players at peak time. You guys state that the game has improved substantially since that time: a lot of fixed bugs, forgeable Leg runes (I don't remember if you could forge Exotics in 2014-15), etc. But I see that the number of players dropped. (Had similar experience recently with what Thailady wrote in the second post in this thread: waiting for about half an hour or an hour for Training PvP match a few times, then giving up on it.)

I am not trying to get into an argument; I'm just trying to wrap my head around "Game has become better, but there are fewer players playing it." I expressed my opinion. I might be wrong. Just trying to understand the situation. I do not own a single MTG card, never played it, do not know much about it. Used the MTG Online example because both Poxnora and MTG Online fall into the same category of games. And the guy in that video complained how bad the online implementation of the MTG was, and said he wouldn't spend one more dollar on the game untill the owners of the game improve the interface and other features of the game. Basically, I understand that the MTG Online has shitty graphics and bugs, but people still dumped and perhaps still dump a ton of money on it.

 

A lot of that has to do with name recognition and nostalgia for the original CCG. Sometimes it's easier to play online than to go to a store to play for a few hours. As far as the improvements several of us are talking about they include knowledge of before the Steam roll out. The Steam roll out of PoxNora was pretty much botched. The improvements have been ongoing since before the Steam roll out and have continued afterwards. There are some that definitely get motivated by chasing the golden ring, but there are a lot of others that will see how far away that ring is and decide it's not worth it. Games that go f2p have to walk a very fine line between accessibility/playability for new players and sales; whether it be of new material or things that improve the general gameplay without being necessary.

I guess what I'm saying is that what you're proposing makes sense for a small part of the population, but not enough to keep a game like this alive.

 

There is absolutely no way Pox had 300 players on in 2014. Maybe on the peak of a launch day, other than that no way.

I'm sure sok has data on this, but ever since late 2012-2013 we've been around 150-200 tops.

MTG is pretty different in the way that it also has a pretty popular physical game, which draws people in. Pox can only hope to ever be that popular/known, even though I thought MTG online wasn't doing too hot.

As someone who has been here for almost the whole ride, the gameplay might have been deemed better in the past (nostalgia mostly), everyhing from accessibility to support to features got so much better.

I can see how people would enjoy a collectable aspect. They still can. It's just less of a "haha I dropped a few thousand on this game to get all high value runes and can now curbstomp whatever you're running cause my mom's creditcard said so".

I much prefer this system. And I have spent an obscene amount of money on this game.