Patch Preview: Pounce/Swoop/Massive Leap consolidation

As a spider enthusiest i would like to point out arthropod frenzy the spell. I would often win my games with spiders when my enemy would possition badly and i could pounce with 3 spiderlings or other champs into a good nook and then have them walk out for another spider to pounce in. Will this spell be buffed/ changed? A 5 range swoop on all my little spiderlings would be craygasm.

 

Yeah, it would be one thing if they just gained Swoop. It is another thing when they all have Multiattack and then gain Swoop. It would be all too easy to Swoop and then attack again, en masse.

 

Poor Garu. You guys have been hating on garu so hard lately.

 

I know right? It's almost like Sokolov is racist or something.

 

He can't be racist, he's asian.

 

Why the decision to change this?

 

Ease of implementation code-wise would be my guess.

 

That's my guess as well. I'll be a little disappointed if that's the case. Swoop and Pounce both being turned into basic attacks (since they're being consolidated) isn't something I'm in favor of. I was just hoping there was a balance reason behind the decision.

 

This

 

My feeling is that an ability that uses the champ's damage stat and type, such as Pummel and Barrage, should be basic attacks. Abilities that modify the damage stat such as Power Attack or type such as Throw Axe should be attacks, but not basic.

 

Were it not replacing an existing ability, I'd say yes, I would design the ability as "This champion is relocated to the closest non-damaging space to target enemy unit within 5 spaces. If the relocation is successful, then it makes a basic attack against that target enemy."

Since it is replacing an existing ability, I would keep it as a nonbasic attack as many players may rely on the ability being nonbasic.

 

@Sokolov since we are talking about "weird abilities that dont make sense to new players", what are your feelings towards Combat Awareness champions? Are they WAI atm?
I'm asking because, according to the description, the only thing that should deal damage to champions with those abilities should be basic attacks, correct?
Just looking for some light on the subject.

 

Yeah, right. Sorry. It's been a while.
Just for reference, though: cones/bombs, auras and spells shouldnt deal damage, correct?

 

Cones, Bombs and Auras - nope, damage reduced/prevented (rank 1/2).
AoE spells - nope, damage reduced/prevented (rank 1/2). Single Target ones that target the CA champ in particular - damage will be dealt.

In Grimlic's Bane's case - only the champ you cast it on should (and IIRC will as it's WAI) take damage.

 

There are a few cases that don't work intuitively: iirc retribution and hive can both damage CA champs. There are probably some other non-terrain interactions that get through and it could probably use a consistency pass.