Last attempt at saving UD

OT: It's nice to be remembered (even for my bad posts)... See you after the Linux release.

 

spiders need swarmers / anti swarm to put them on the same playing field as skeles , i could argue they need a boost spider champion but thats up for debate since their racial is fairly strong

 

Sorry Nep I probably got Fiery Ambush nerfed by my abuse of it in acid/fire amp lol.

 

Will talk about this later. I had started thinking about what different deck archetypes mean to the faction in terms of playstyles, and UD is actually the best place to get a deeper look at what that means.
The TL/DR preview is that the focus on themes over the last few years created a lot of archetypes that promote different playstyles than the factions have traditionally encouraged. This is a great thing in a lot of ways, but a lot of these FF archetypes lack the tools (sometimes a flaw in the champs themselves and sometimes because the faction's current viable spell/relic/equip suite does not promote that playstyle) for that style to be viable.

With DEP it's not about whether she's balanced and effective, it's the circumstances under which she is currently balanced and effective. Those circumstances (maintaining early pressure by summoning the closest beater as soon as beckon is off cooldown) are saturated with balanced and effective things, while other areas where she used to be effective (eg. pulling a stunned unit out of the fight so it doesn't die) are hindered by the opportunity cost of not being able to use it in a future situation where it might provide an unknown value swing X.

 

Again, I didn't say that's the only reason. Out of all, they're probably the most self-sufficient theme, although still lack some stuff (a solid relic for example, maybe something that grants evasive/elusive when standing on web)

Nothing much, it's just not diverse enough in terms of what their champs can offer. Also it's pretty ridiculous that ST easily outdamages it.

It's not but the abillities are very theme centered and almost all of the champs are demons so if there were any race/class interaction to make them stronger it wouldn't be even considered because of that transfering effect.

For some reason you forgot Deep Elves -- they're the ones that suffer most. Also, what about other stuff like Bok and Nefari? I think that it's specifically because of the Demon niche that they're in that they're not yet a theme. Or do you think that nepyon is indeed correct in saying that UD for some reason is always the guy that nobody pays attention to at a party?

As I said, it is ONE of the issues, one of the main ones, but not the main. The chief reasons are lack of theme orientered interactions in spells, relics, equips and some champions and a lack of a proper way of balancing out the DMG bonus into pseudo-range, gap closing or w/e else (Minotaurs are obviously an exception serving as an example of how good a theme in UD can be if approached the right way) and also a bunch of shoebox spells, relics, equips that nobody runs (apart from Badgerale of course, but we all know he has a taste for the 'exquisite'.)

 

make sure you add that one to your sig

 

Thats mainly because it was cooldown 1 though, so using it in that way didn't then "prevent" you from beckoning a champ in to get a kill the next turn. So it had way more flexibility and the opponent had to respond to both possibilities. Using it that way nowadays is waaaay harder, unless you abort a planned kill to respond to a move by the opponent, WHILE beckon happens to be off cooldown. And even in that case, it could arguably be better to execute the planned relocate anyways and get the kill/ setup around the new board state. Keeping your heavy damage dealer at the back and then beckoning him in seems better than beckoning him back to a mid-distance and allowing him to be put in more danger in the preceeding turns (at least in most cases), since it cant be spammed every turn as it previously could Both can still be done with call of the hunter+beckon admittedly

 

This is also why I was pushing heavily to change boundless enthusiasm to grant swap instead of seismic leap - to push its effective use away from 1on1 situations and give UD more flexibility in developed board situations.

 

I dont mind that as long as it keeps the homing sense so the first champ aka the one with swap can come into battle faster the following turn

 

wait what? is that an onion that has way too many layers XD since when do they swarm

 

thats THE DREAM

 

Just don't change released runes, ever. Release counters in new runes. It's better for business and people won't have their collections change on them overnight

 

goodbye to the last decent range unit in a Voil theme