Buff those beasts

Discussion in 'Savage Tundra' started by super71, May 16, 2017.

  1. super71

    super71 I need me some PIE!

    Arctic turtle

    Remove amphibious, damage shield frost 2 on base

    Upgrade line 1- slowing armor, gore, chill 2
    upgrade line 2- protective, frost cone, tremor

    6 damage
    6 speed
    1 range
    3 defense
    50 health

    Glacier Rhino

    upgrade line 1- tremor, charge 2,
    upgrade line 2- declare hunted

    7 damage
    6 speed
    1-2 range
    2 defense
    60 health

    Remove gore from base and put rend 1

    Ice wurm

    upgrade line 1- domain snow, tunnel snow 2, manic
    upgrade line 2- hidden arctic, chill 2

    base
    8 damage
    6 range
    1-3 range
    2 defense
    45 health

    Remove ice veil

    Frost wolf

    upgrade line 1- coordination, call to arms, hidden arctic
    upgrade line 2- leverage beast, mark,

    base
    8 damage
    6 speed
    1 range
    1 defense
    48 health

    base abilities- remove mountaineer, add howling attack

    Mastadon

    upgrade line 1- tough 2, tremor,
    upgrade line 2- crushing charge, hunter meek

    Base abilities- trample, arctic,

    2 damage
    6 speed
    1 range
    3 defense
    60 health

    wizened wren

    upgrade line 1- magic acolyte,
    upgrade line 2- magic eater, sermon, favor

    base abilities
    arctic
    flight
    attack:magical

    base stats
    9 damage
    6 speed
    2-4 range
    45 health

    Arctic tiger

    upgrade line 1- hidden arctic, stealth, evasive 1
    upgrade line 2- arctic camouflage, sunder, ferocious bite

    base abilities
    arctic
    tameable
    pounce

    base stats
    9 base damage
    6 speed
    1 range
    1 defense
    45 health

    snow lerper

    lose omnivore and shatter and get detection 1 and elusive

    snow prowler

    upgrade line 1- assassinate 1, pounce, leap 3
    upgrade line 2- hidden arctic, frightful blows, fear 2

    on base abilities

    arctic
    rend 1
    gore

    base stats
    10 damage
    6 speed
    1 range
    1 defense
    38 health


    Jakei wolfrider

    upgrade line 1- blitz, elusive leap, commander
    upgrade line 2- howling attack, train defense, drive

    base stats

    9 damage
    6 speed
    1 range
    2 defense
    45 health


    nora beast

    upgrade line 1- arctic camouflage, blood for nora
    upgrade line 2-power store, nora miner 3

    arctic
    lumbering
    vitality nora

    base stats

    o damage
    3 speed
    1 range
    0 defense
    55 health
     
  2. Regulate

    Regulate I need me some PIE!

    Snow Prowler, Arctic Tiger, and Frost Wolf are already really good.
     
  3. super71

    super71 I need me some PIE!

    Yeah they are so good they are ran constantly, that's silly to say man beasts as a theme in st are really bad. Any suggestions about other beasts or the ones I mentioned ?
     
  4. Regulate

    Regulate I need me some PIE!

    Prowler is run in the top 100, and even by a player in the top 10 in ST meta. It certainly doesn't need changes. I believe arctic tiger + frost wolf are also incredibly strong in relevant theme deck.

    No, no other suggestions about the others as i'm not too interested in ST beasts, I didn't come in here just to talk you down, sorry - just probably better if you focus on things that truly need buffs otherwise your comments may not be taken seriously.

    If I had to suggest a problem with beasts: 2x2 heavy theme, which is generally 'a bad thing'. No access to commander. Only other synergy that i'm aware of is from Azaren who is a 100 nora piece, which makes it difficult to really play around. Try addressing those...
     
  5. Braxzee

    Braxzee I need me some PIE!

    What really hurt was Azaren getting nerfed by collateral damage by all the FW zombie non sense. I would start with Azaren first, then Wizened wrens....The others I would leave alone. The elephants and rhinos and tigers are in a very good place right now.
     
  6. Vote Kanye 2020

    Vote Kanye 2020 Better-Known Member

    Arctic turtle is broken, he will honestly never die on you.
     
  7. super71

    super71 I need me some PIE!

    Broken, really man ?
     
  8. NevrGonaGivUup

    NevrGonaGivUup The King of Potatoes

    With ally, ST bonus, warbanner and boost he has a whopping 83 hp for 66 nora, with 4 armor! Scale armor pushes its effective hp up to 104 (I multiplied by 1.25).

    And it has turtle as well, so it gets even more turns of tanking. This dude could sit in a midfont for a thousand years. Granted, he doesnt do any damage or contribute much to the battle, but at least ally:ST gives out free global ap on deploy.
     
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  9. Vote Kanye 2020

    Vote Kanye 2020 Better-Known Member

    Yep, this.
     
  10. super71

    super71 I need me some PIE!

    You could say this about any draksar in the game or any dwarf, it's a dumb statement. Yes with 4 bonuses most champs will have a lot of health. Is the champ played or used ever ?
     
  11. Vote Kanye 2020

    Vote Kanye 2020 Better-Known Member

    Well, considering ally and ST bonus don't require any doing or nora investment, it's relatively different. Also yes, he is used by some people. On demand 1 ap, is so underrated
     
  12. super71

    super71 I need me some PIE!

    Stop it, arctic turtle isn't ran, show me one person that has run st beasts from beginning to end in this rank reset.

    Some people as in people that are terrible and playing for fun ? My thread is to make st beasts viable if you don't have a suggestion don't turn this into another nonsense debate thread where nothing is accomplished and neither side agrees.
     
  13. Vote Kanye 2020

    Vote Kanye 2020 Better-Known Member

    Me? I run it on my ST account, and on this account. I'm guessing I'm terrible though so I don't count. I've also seen Nepyon play it and some other ST player.

    But fine, as per your request I shall stay silent and let you guys buff an already good rune.
     
  14. NevrGonaGivUup

    NevrGonaGivUup The King of Potatoes

    Show me one dwarf or draksar with more effective hp for ~66 nora. I'll wait.
     
  15. super71

    super71 I need me some PIE!

    What dwarf or draksar is gonna get the st full faction bonus, I'll wait.
     
  16. NevrGonaGivUup

    NevrGonaGivUup The King of Potatoes

    Dwarven Mountaineer?

    Why does it matter if they get the ST bonus? I thought you said that:
    So there aren't any dwarves or draksar with as much tankiness (effective HP) as arctic turtle, for 60-ish nora. Right? So why do you think arctic turtle isn't good? It's a better tank than anything from two of the tankiest races of champions.

    Who cares how many people run it? It's a good rune, so run it and you'll win.
     
  17. Braxzee

    Braxzee I need me some PIE!

    Hey arctic turtle is not for offense, he is a staller and a clog. Only change I would add is to give him unstoppable some where. I use him in combo with a range unit for furry friends. He has such a high survival rate you can start stacking furry friends with other champs. If you are worried about damage throw a sky storm on him. he will prolly be able to use it 3 times. He stays on the board for a while to get your setups done.

    Like I said earlier Azaren is where the fix needs to start first. He is what is going to make beasts viable again in ST
     

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