Current ST power could do with some trimming.

I don't disagree orb is why the snow spinner is able to use his ability every round, my point is st has 4-5 units with this ability, and this is the only one really worth using it on, the next best would be yeti curate and honestly I just run her with the cheap build due to lack of snow production.

the synnergy of the two abilities on the same unit is likely the issue, but keep in mind not every unit with the ability also has orb, and on those units it's a serious draw back to the ability.

 

orb of frostfall rank 2 is 8 range.

 

and the best way to beat ST snow shroud............

play ST and use keeneye crown LOL.

some factions are just spoiled.

 

flag of unification used to infuriate me back when it was played more, someone loves ST.

 

/thread.

Best way to get things done is make a thread on the forums.

 

Why should a good champ build with nice synergy be changed? Champs across POX need to have better builds that make sense. It is like finally a champ that is built well that has the right cost. Bastion is tough due to it has a good build. To me the issue is more champs need to have their builds make sense. There are too many champs with bad builds.

 

really? it's a pretty crappy equipment.... under most scenarios, and as a CC rune you can often do better then massively buffing all of your opponents other champions.

I did love it when it gave charge though but those days were a very long time ago

 

good champs with good synnergy are the only champs that should ever get nerfed.

everything in pox is currently balanced based on a cost equation. this cost equation cannot ever account for synnergy between abilities, and thus all of the strongest champions in pox are those that have expected or unexpected synergies between abilities or other runes that they are played with

 

Make it CD 2 (np lowering the cost or AP, would make it less abusable) or Remove Orb from Snowspinner (the unit makes the restriction of snow pointless, so it's basically a cd1 Grant: Evasive + Grant: Reflexes), problem solved.

 

1. well worth the 10 nora making everyone trail snow, it makes it hard to maneuver, its still impeding right?

2. they are support / utility units? dont need range.

3. its snow shroud thats strong, just happens so is snowspinner, makes a champ almost unkillable, hey i dont like naria strangler either unless i played her.

4. i run dunewalkers mantle x2 in SL just for evasive 2, its so strong on right unit........ buy hey i hate playing vs arrow eater too and think thats op too.

 

keep the synergy on snowspinner then, just increase snow shrouds cooldown, theresv no law to say it has to work every your turn. bastion is still way good ya know, despite nerfs.

 

Any decent player will never run Orb 2 unless the bg focuses terrain, so it's actually half that. And this case is one of those where the value of two different abilities on a single champ greatly surpasses the cost.

10 nora for a cd1 Grant: Evasive + cd1 Grant: Reflexes? Not a big price to pay honestly.

 

Everyone runs rank 1 sok. 5 nora for impending snow on your opponents is pretty good, and I'd say pays for itself outside of snow shroud even. Also creates a nice little wall around snowspinner so even if the melee die you can't quite reach her.

 

sok...

a one of cost of nora in ability is still better and pretty cheap than an alternative of having to spend nora every so many turns to generate snow / ice.

snowspinner is more a utility champ, heal, snow shroud, orb of frostfall, it sits in the back, utility champs dont need an attack or range per se, its got 6 dmg people are not using it for its range.

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