Devs: Your Changes are Killing your Game

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by zer0sum, Jun 28, 2015.

  1. zer0sum

    zer0sum The King of Potatoes

    I recently came back to Pox after not playing for about 2 years. In the short few months since my return, I have noticed my collection undergo radical changes. I am using your rune forge to break down old runes and make new ones, and I find myself feeling a bit raw about having cashed in a bunch of runes for runes that I wanted, only to find the runes that I forged to be changed dramatically within a few weeks.

    For example, Lich King had Surge: Skeleton, making it an important part of a Skeleton group. Now it doesn't, and it has harmed my skeleton theme. Then Boost was remade into something that is basically useless, again harming my skeleton theme. And so as I look over this skeleton collection, and a few others that I put together, I'm regretting having cashed in runes for these and I'm DEFINITELY not going to buy new ones.

    I was thinking that I might buy some of the new stuff, but honestly I don't know why anyone would want to put effort into acquiring new runes when you've shown such an interest in post-release alterations. Anyway, that's why you aren't getting sales from me. If you would commit to leaving things be then I'd be happy to collect runes again, but this is just over the top and I think it's bad for your business.
     
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  2. kalasle

    kalasle Forum Royalty

    Do you think it's an issue that they changed skeletons, or do you think they are just making too many changes in general?
     
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  3. Markoth

    Markoth Lord Inquisitor

    I do not recall a time that Lich King ever had Surge: Skeleton. Checking Poxbase I dont see it in the runes recent history either.
     
  4. kalasle

    kalasle Forum Royalty

    He had Surge 2 up until Ronin Mid-term, I think? Maybe Coalitions proper.
     
  5. chickenpox2

    chickenpox2 I need me some PIE!

    It did at one point on upgrade choose between surge skele and surge lich
     
  6. urgoth16

    urgoth16 Member

    He meant surge lich i guess
    But yeah i didnt like boost changes too, it crippled some themes suddenly
     
  7. chickenpox2

    chickenpox2 I need me some PIE!

    I never got why he had surge 2 for skeles it was ridiculously strong
     
  8. Markoth

    Markoth Lord Inquisitor

    That would be why. Dont think I ever aw him without Surge: Lich
     
  9. calisk

    calisk I need me some PIE!

    sadly runes changing are a point of issue for new players, I know lots of players that quit because their favorite runes were nerfed or more usually changed to be a completely different rune.

    I also know lots of players that quit because they simply can't deal with broken combo's and decks in the meta.

    in the end players will quit over anything and it's impossible to make everyone happy.
     
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  10. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    It pretty much doesn't matter what we do, some people are unhappy and leave. Others leave because of changes that aren't done.

    At the end of the day, we can only do what we think is best for the long-term health of the game.
     
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  11. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    He had no Surges at releases, Surge: Lich pre-revamp, Surge: Skeleton post-revamp and recently got buffed but had Surge: Skeleton removed in the process.

    So if he never changed, he'd have no Surges anyway.
     
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  12. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    Also note that while Boost itself is weaker, there is now Defender and Commander even in themes that didn't have access to those before. The idea of the Boost change is outlined in this thread here:

    http://forums.poxnora.com/index.php?threads/boost-update-preview.16482/

    As a comparison, old boost gave:

    +6 HP
    +3 DMG
    +1 DEF

    in AE6 focused on one champ.

    If the theme didn't have access to Defender or Commander, and now does, along with Boost you get:

    +5 HP globally (which is strictly better than AE6)
    +2 DMG in AE5 (slightly worse than AE6, and 1 less DMG)
    and +2 DEF in AE5 (slightly worse than AE5, and 1 more DEF)

    with the sources spread out.
     
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2015
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  13. profhulk

    profhulk Forum Royalty

    The range on defender is better. It's nice not to have to bunch up to receive the buffs from defender. Race and class are limiting factors when you want to use defender other than that I like it.
     
  14. Leadrz

    Leadrz I need me some PIE!

    It has surge 2. Immortal and tonnes of range. It was a 38 damage 'beater'
     
  15. Moles

    Moles Administrator Octopi

    While I agree there has been lots of large, sweeping changes over the last 6 months, many would argue that the game needed it.

    We have had to streamline many abilities and also return champions to match their flavour, long term this provdies a lot of benefits.

    Once we finish streamlining things, making things consistant and getting things fun and flavourful, changes will be of a smaller scale again and we can focus much more on fixing bugs and adding new features to the game.
     
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  16. MikeLin

    MikeLin I need me some PIE!

    Remembered that skype convo we had, we went extensively over this lol, turns out I was right
     
  17. BurnPyro

    BurnPyro Forum Royalty

    You should view buying runes more as a subscription than as actually acquiring content. You can't expect the same runes to remain the same forever, to just buy once and then play for years.

    Similarly, if they wouldn't change at all they would get massively powercreeped and you would be here complaining too. Or new runes would be added to your theme and you'd be making a thread because you'd have to invest to keep playing it in it's best possible version.

    This sort of thread has no merit whatsoever other than venting your (somewhat unfounded) opinion. Pox is a game that needs constant change to function. It is unreasonable to expect to buy runes now and then to come back two years later and just pick up where you left off. The nature of the game does not allow yeah.
     
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  18. TheBulwark

    TheBulwark I need me some PIE!

    I agree whole heartedly and I think most people that play do too that changing all these runes over and over again is getting pretty tired.
     
  19. vipoid

    vipoid I need me some PIE!

    Which skeleton champion(s) have Commander?

    I can't seem to find any.
     
  20. Markoth

    Markoth Lord Inquisitor

    Pallys just have 3 sources of Commander now instead. :/
     

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