Discussing American politics as civil human beings

For whom?

 

Not to cross-contaminate these threads too much, but you do realize that stopping an attack is a form of defense, right?

 

Ragic and in extension his likes.

If it works. Gun proliferation does not work in stopping gun attacks, as seen by the gun death rate in the US, thus it is not a viable form of defense.

 

How can we have a legitimate conversation if you cannot keep basic, simple details straight?

I just realized you might not even know you are creating a cokk-and-bull story. (Call it a fairy tell, if you prefer). Would be great if you stopped fabricating statements.

 

Obama raised more money than his rivals in each of his presidential runs. Why are you not outraged by that?

Walker never gained traction with the voters THEN the donors left THEN Walker dropped out. Those pesky facts.

Also, it must be awesome living in the Kingdom of Belgium. No corruption. No crime. Everybody is happy and rich. Life is a breeze. Cool story bro.

 

I have stated before that over 90% of times the person with most cash wins, which is disgusting.

walker had 10% at one point, no lies

 

I'm torn between wanting to "like" this post for it's accuracy in the first line, and wanting to condemn it for it's second to last line.

I do have a question though:

What would you have Americans do about it?

 

1) Congrats on making a post without resorting to lots of Cap locks action.
2) I imagine that sometimes the candidate has more money because he/she is a better candidate.
----But, and this is were we agree, money is probably corrupting the process more than ever. Trillions and trillions of dollars printed out of thin air.
3) Walker did look like a legit candidate, but then reality happened and he lost ground with the voters very quickly.
4) We agreed on 2 of 3 points. If you agree with this, then we agreed on 3 of 4. Progress.

 

When did I ever say that was not the case? Quote please.

 

No idea. At this point it almost requires a complete overhaul of the system to get the money out of politics. But anyone who dares say that gets swept aside. IIRC there were two people running, one democrat and one republican who wanted to get money out of politics. They just get shut down. Stopped appearing in the polls and didn't get invites to debates, because apparently it's a good idea to have them done by media who makes good money off politics.

I doubt it can be done at this point, I don't know enough/anything really about how you'd be able to get that type of stuff done. It is however, a really sad reality that the country that prides itself on it's freedom has a political system that is far from democratic. Freedom to vote, except you don't decide. Money and whoever has most of it does.

1. I NEARLY NEVER USE CAPS LOCK
2. Possibly. He/she can appeal to the most people with money seemed to be true until recently (both obama before and sanders now are raising a ton by little donors). It's no surprise candidates with a well oiled money gathering machine and connections (Clinton, Bush) because of legacies are always top candidates.
3. I don't know what exactly happened. He seemed rather 'weak' to me, lacking a ton of real confidence in his policies. Flip flop artist at best, puppet at worst. Oh and the whole "I'm going to clear the field and others should do so we can all get behind someone who can beat the current front runner (donald trump)' was sad. Didn't he also do that thing with the Koch brother fake call or whatever?
4. Who knows. I don't see it as my mission to convince you/others or to find common ground, merely to express my opinions and educate myself on the matters of American politics. This goes hand in hand with the emotional outbursts and how rotten some parts of the system are.

 

Very logical. Big gvt politicians have a MASSIVE advantage over small gvt politicians. They get to spend billions and billions of other peoples' money stacking the deck in their favor. I want the government more efficient, which automatically means more voters will oppose than support me. In short, it is called buying votes. Repub big gvt politicians are just as guilty as the Dem politicians. It is very sad. BP and I agree on that.

You continue to be fair and logical, most of the time Sok. I really do appreciate that. BP can be so when he chooses, which is most welcome and refreshing.

 

isn't that the whole game? you propose policy initiatives, if people like them then they vote for you. why people like or dislike an initiative may vary wildly, but i wouldn't say it's buying votes most of the time so much as just politics.

 

Those people that oppose efforts to require voter ID are destroying the democratic process. You gots that mixed up sir.