Discussion: Final Patch of 2015

It's the relic for the FW sporegill thing (tomb sentinel).

Change was to avoid seism.

 

Props on Twisted Emerald btw. Really fun and interesting rune.

Understandable, I just want to make sure that with this particular constraint in mind, you don't damage any one particular faction's capabilities vis a vis the other factions.

I fully acknowledge that my perspective may be a bit off here, and if you like I can do some more research and put together more of a case for why FS got hit harder here vs. the other factions. (Or discover I am wrong and admit as much).

 

Yeah, my intent was to go back and look at the last patch too. Looking at just this patch would be a failure of analysis. I was also considering looking at the meta spell situation in general, but that would probably require more data than I actually have.

 

seism, storm reader, sacrifice of delim, whirling stones, void shield, scouring luminescence, divine healing, relic guardian, summon hive, revere icesnap, amplify, battle drum, vulnerable.

all of these changes are horrible. this is a endless cycle... the people making changes dont understand the games pvp at all.

 

I think amp may have been over nerfed, but the rest of the changes seem good.

 

Restricting Luminescence

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  • Nora Cost decrease (-2)
  • Description: Champions within 5 spaces have Unequippable.

Previously this ability is on Crystal Yeti but the patch replaced it with Draining Luminescence.

Cannot locate the champion/ relic having Restricting Luminescence after the patch

 

I am still not sure why this being sometimes double casted means that it is worth a +5 nora increase. You acknowledge yourself that the spell is situational. The reason it was run so much is that other AoE spells in FS are not really that great and having aoe spell options in a bg is very valuable. Like it was already close to the worst faction from an available AoE spell perspective and this sort of pushes it down even more.

Going through the factions:
ST has Gale Force (50 nora, aoe 2 6 dmg, but usually generates more because knockback), Frigid Barrier (40 nora, effects font/limited targetting, 14 dmg, frozen, creates ice and blocks access to fond), Ice Storm (50 nora, aoe 4, 10 cold damage, ice, chilled 2, grounded)
KF has Nature's Wrath (45 nora, AoE 3, 10 damage def debuff), Stellar Horizon (40 nora, aoe 5 limited targeting, 10 dmg, healing), and Thorn Collection (50 nora, aoe 3, refund)
IS has Bane Blast (40 nora, aoe 2, 12 dmg, extra damage for condition) and Earthquake (45 nora, AoE 4, 10 dmg, does not hit flyers, drains AP)
FS has Font Eruption (50 nora, effects all fonts and deployment zones, 12 dmg) and Monsoon (40 nora, aoe3, 8 physical damage, grounded, rough terrain)

Forsaken Waste has Anathema (50 nora, 12 dmg, defiled and decaying for 6 turns), Arcane Enervation (40 nora, 10 damage, limited targetting also curses), Desceration (25 nora, aoe 5, 5 dmg, 10 damage to relics and shrines), Festering Wounds (50 nora, diseased 4, global only hits injured champions)
Shattered Peaks has Avalanche (45 nora, aoe 3, 10 damage, grounded, push back 1), Bad Blood (45 nora, 15 to target and 8 to all champions that share a race with the target), and Lightning Storm (45 nora, 10 damage, shocked 2, double damage to units in water)
Sundered Lands has Acid Storm (45 nora, aoe 3, 10 damage, scoured 2), Burning Sands (45 nora, aoe 3, 12 damage, charred 3 if on sand), Firestorm (50 nora, aoe 3, 14 damage and charred 3), Sandstorm (35 nora, aoe 4, 7 damage, sandblasted), Tornado (40 nora, aoe 2, 12 damage, 20 damage to relics)
Underdepths has Fiery Ambush (40 nora, targets font, creates fire walls in font, minimum 12 fire damage + charred 2), Fire Blast (45 nora, aoe 2, 12 fire damage and charred 2), Hellfire (35 nora, 10 fire damage to target, 5 fire damage to other champions in area, also charred 3), Maddening Echoes (35 nora, variable damage based on the number of real champions in area), Superiority (45 nora, aoe 6, limited targetting, does not effect same race as target)

So based on this list FS clearly has and probably had the worst aoe options. You could argue that Font Eruption hit too big of an area or had the chance of hitting too many champions but it was completely and utterly predictable. It was played and probably still will be played because of the fact that if FS wants to do significant aoe damage (sometimes, when they walk into the trap or when the map is in their favor) it has no real other alternatives. It is not crowding out other aoe spells, because there are no other real options. If it is no longer played, it basically means you are taking away a capability from FS.

 

Sok and Buddha had an excellent back and forth r/t nerfs and such in FS. I gots to recognize that I am not at their level of communicating with civility.

(Goes back to ghost mode).

 

Shouldnt Fascinating Sapphire be 25 nora instead of 35? comparing it to.. guardian's treasure at 30nora kind of makes you wonder how much "nora gem" modifies its cost

 

storm reader just got + nora instead of getting synergy with hyaenids, seism is still way too strong against expensive relics and relic champs, sacrifice delim was already mediocre, whirling stones overnerfed, void shield ruined, divine healing was already strong, relic guardian was already mediocre, skeezick anthromancer already sucked, revere icesnap was already mediocre, battle drum was fine, amp and vulnerables were costed fine.

i assumed scouring cost increase was a cost increase on the scour relic that is currently fine.

 

alot of stuff in this game is costed wrong.

 

I still think guardians treasure is bloated.

The general for relics like this is two abilities, while it has 3 for some reason.

I vote removing fascinate /majestic, perhaps with a cost decrease to the dragon (though it might not even need it).

 

guardians treasure is already a mediocre relic even in dragon/beast theme. the dragon isnt really worth using anymore after the void shield nerfs.

 

I also feel like the amp price increase was a bit high. Mainly because usually amp decks have a lot of amp in them.... yeah that sounds stupid. Basically when you have like 3~5 amp champions in your deck, which you can probably easily do in factions like ST. You are suddenly paying 12-20 nora more for your "setup" over the course of the game, which seems like a lot. But eh, just a gut feeling.

 

Yeah corpse isn't even close to his former glory anymore, with locust swarm nerfed he was became decent with all the price hikes he's still okay just not overpowered like before. Zombies just have better cheaper options though i fee like.

 

Hit the nail on the head with murkwater frenzy, i wanted the multi racial to go as did many people. Multi attack on range champs is a bad idea.