Discussion: Patch Notes July 11th 2014

Downside for abilities is they are really hard to cost in general.

I mean, do you charge the same for Strength of Body on a 10hp champ as you do on a 100hp champ?

Do you charge the same for Soulsift on a 30 nora champion as you do on a 100 nora champ?

I get the feeling balance will eventually require a detailed look at every rune and how much synergy the abilities grant. I mean, it is literally not possible to price abilities statically when their value is so dynamic.

 

Problem is, as Fikule also pointed, that the new formula apparently is a bit wonky as not all the champions got the same treatment, and many are still as bad as they were before the update.

As example, someone said the stitched monolith is super-cheap because it have 0 dmg and strength of boy. However, the experimental warspirit also have 0dmg (but soulstrike), and it still cost 90n.

What the Sheoul?

 

Well, no.

But I always hoped that a lot of it could be automated. Like we'd have abilities with dynamic prices. If you placed Soulsift on a champion, it would price itself based on how good it is on the champion by costing itself based on the nora cost and any other relevant factors necessary.

I mean, that's a lot of programming. So I am not sure which would be quicker.

 

And isn't lumbering

But yeah, get what you mean.

Also, holy quote batman, you went from 88 to 89 nora so fast.

 

Yeah, as Jib said a lot of it is kneejerk reaction and will require analysis and playtest, that's the standard. What troubles me honestly is how apparently all Heroes are sub 100 nora now, amongst other examples (Chrono at 80 nora is pretty loltastic).

 

Xulos is still 103 and Serky-McJerky is 104.

Moragen is 93 though

 

I do, yes.

Edit: as said, though, this is all kneejerk reaction, playtesting is required. But high cost champs were always playable post revamp, they just required more nora management and strategy to be played, which I think is a good thing.

 

Eep. I advise people to not look at any treefolk.

(And by this I obviously mean "Go look at the treefolk!")

 

Thirion got down to 103 nora at least, thank frond.

 

Most of them are back at a point where it's more manageable, especially when you consider what they lost in the revamp (klzik comes to mind).

Then I see a 78 nora Sceain and I don't get it. Or Euan randomly to 80. Vindrax losing about 20 nora. It's odd.

 

Oh yeah, definetely Sokobro. Change was required and the cost formula is 100% Warfoot approved.
Tweaking will be necessary, and that is part of the process.
However, I think it's safe to say next step is proper costing of abilities, and then final tweaking on champs.

 

Stitched monolith got a huge nora cost reduce, iirc.

Experimental warspirit remained roughly the same in cost.
They didn't slapped (iirc) lumbering to lower its cost after this update, so if both champions retained roughly the same stats and abilities, how one of them got a nora cost reduce, and the other not?

 

See, this is exactly what I was talking about.

 

Yeah I'm getting that, I'm just not seeing how it "balances" things out.

Then again I'm only looking at extremes. "Middle" ground stuff seems to be a 1-3 nora swing either way. That is obviously working as intended.

Major case of we don't know what we want, yet again.