Discussion: Patch Notes July 11th 2014

Spot on, bud. Specially on the part that people weren't ready to pay for things. Heck, even Sokobro asked me if over 100 nora units were runnable pre cost revamp.
Either way, now that at least there is a costing formula, more steps need to be followed. My opinion:
1) Adjust the blatanly out of line champions these new revamp brought to life. Stuff like this also drives people away, and even though our goal is to attract new players, we cant afford loosing the current playerbase;
2) Adjust cost of abilities;
3) Go to town on everything else.

 

Serkan still to expensive to be worth it imo. At his cost speed 7 should be auto and Teleport changed to rank 1. (and his LE and Exo versions are different in abilities/upgrades and cost)
Collection of Souls is 90 nora now. Even at the 70-something it was not really worth running.
Polluted Martyr is far to cheap.
Haunting Spirit should proberly go up to 40 nora again.
CrossBone seems to expensive at his new cost (and I still dont get the Domain DMZ upgrade)


Stitched:
Matriarch FAR to expensive
First is also far to expensive.

 

Arbitrarily is just a different word for purposefully designed. If say humans in IS were generally faster ( 6-7spd) champions with low to average damage/hp/def compared to dwarfs who were generally slower ( 5-6spd) but had average to high hp, and def with low to average damage. You could call that arbitrarily cheaper/more expensive for associated stats or you could just accept that Dwarfs are slower and more sturdy with cheaper hp.def stats compared to humans who have cheaper spd stats. A human could for example have the same hp of a dwarf but would have to pay more then the dwarf did to get to the same level. Like wise a 7spd dwarf COULD exist, but be much rarer and more expensive.

This would effectively help give each race a template for stats that helps define them. No more 7spd dwarfs in full plate armor keeping up with Mr. Jones treehugger elf just for giggles. Now class/role would also help influence the stat make up and along with race control ability pools, but race would predominantly have to do with stat ratios.

Now as an example moga can be 30-50 nora like they are now, but they wouldn't be 12damage since their stat window would be locked to a lower threshold. Draksars like wise would most likely not be cheap since they are effectively the super soldiers of the POXNORA world. They would have the associated limits of their pre tainted race, in this case humans, but with their taint would then have access to high hp/def lvls for a lower price or a higher average lvl for the same price. If Humans could have 1-2 def for the " normal game wide price" A draksar could go as high as 3 or 4 for the same game wide standard price.


EDIT: Lets say defense has a game wide standard price of 2 nora per 1 def. Humans could have 1 or 2 defense at that exchange rate. Dwarfs could have 1-3, and Draksars 2-4 ( forcing a higher price). If a Human wanted 3 defense that last +1 defense stat would cost more, say +4 instead.

For the more trash champions like moga who are suppose to be worthless in small numbers, they would have say a max of 1 or even 0 defense at the standard price range. That way they might stay in the 30-50 range but they wont be anywhere close to a 70+ nora champion in terms of stats.

It would work for any stat with Demons getting access to cheaper damage or ST having cheaper hp or whatever floats your boat. It would just be a way to make each race actually different at a base lvl.

Does that make any sense?

 

No one mention, and i'm a bit surprised, a Master Axeman at

*Drum rolls*

65 nora! 69 with Hunter: wrath

I realy love this rune but...it is a bit less ^^'

 

Tarth that makes sense and I think soko would agree but the way you worded it before made it seem Like you wanted to make speed more expensive for dwarfs just because they were dwarfs, which would have been dumb

Wait, or is that what you are saying?

 

Ghost bear thirion bg inbound for me.

Can't wait til I get home to look at other stuff, not that I'll need it with 84 Nora ghost bear.

 

So yeah, something good came out of this: I can finally use my beloved Harbinger for 80 nora! Yay.
Joke aside, one of the plethora examples.

 

Summon Axe only works IF someone else has Axeman's Fate equipped, right? Other than that it is a worthless ability. I've never used it before. Other than that he does not have any other base abilities. Ability path 1: Throw Axe, Hunter: Unnatural, Hunter: Wrath. Upgrade path 2: Provision, Craft. Even his upgrade abilities aren't that great. 60-69 nora looks about right to me. What puts him over the top is the equipment, Axeman's Fate, but that adds an extra 25 nora to him. Seems about right to me.

 

Im saying, that the Moga slinger with its 7 dmg, 6spd, 4-6 range, 0 def, and 32 base hp, in conjunction with its abilities ( multi 1/ hinder movement base) for 51 nora is indeed closer to a 70 nora champion then I would like.

I mean there are multiple champions who have very similar dmg, def, damage out puts that cost 10+ nora more but way worse cost vs effect ratios. Ghern bound isn't really that big of a draw back considering Ghern are supporting from 4-6 spaces away and now you have 3 champions for the same price of 2 from the other guy. Move on to another moga or kanen or any sub 70 unit and most do not pale in comparison that badly to the higher priced units.

Maybe its more the damage lvls then anything that are the issue? Im looking through the moga line up and they all seem to have fairly average damage when under overseer. Their biggest weakness seems to be hp values.

 

Now let the pendulum swing a bit back the other way. On a positive note, I see a good bit of progress and have more belief in the algorithm than I did previously.

This is just first impressions.

 

Lol.

 

Yeah I misunderstood what he was saying and after reading his edit I disagree with the concept 100%. Way too complicated for no reason

 

That is what I am saying. Because they are dwarfs, they should be built based on a dwarf template which would prioritize other stats over spd resulting in higher speed prices outside their racially set norm. So if I dwarf wanted ot be a 7spd unit, it would have ot pay more for that tick from 6 to 7spd then say a human or elf would. So the end result turns out to be Dwarfs, as a race are slower, but more sturfy, elfs are faster, but have lower hp/def pool, Moga are cheaper but have lower all around stats, Treefolk are slow, but very strong and sturdy. Each race should feel unique and with its own strong and weak points. At the very least it would make each faction seem more unique as their races start covering each others weak spots or showing a faction wide designed strength.