I need UD's Help

Discussion in 'Underdepths' started by Agirgis1, Jul 16, 2015.

  1. Agirgis1

    Agirgis1 Forum Royalty

    Hello fellow UD players.... boob lovers....and generally good looking people (Sorry if its a little long , but this is for the good of UD!) PS. there is TL;DR Below

    As many of you may have noticed the current game is very theme orientated due to their extreme amount of synergy atm.
    We have decent themes.... Deep elves and Minotaur probably being our best ( Followed by fire?)

    But something caught me eye ever since i came back month or 2 ago, we have an ungodly amount of extremely efficient units for their Nora costs, we even have split personality and a decent amount of range.We are like SP but we're missing something , that key piece to make us consistently competitive.

    Lets for a moment assume this has nothing to do with needed balance changes, rather we aren't seeing the right combination to make our next powerful meta bg.

    I've tried for quiet sometime to make a good one , I've messed around with many random underrated champions. ( Ash demons , pitdragons , badgerwulfs u name it I've played it) But efficiency is not enough we need a BG that can CONSISTENTLY beat top tier BGs , if played with sufficient skill. I can manage a random win vs the best stuff here and there.... but i wouldn't bet anything on it.

    Now here's what i need FROM YOU!
    I have accepted my bias towards knowing whats right and wrong ( a false understanding through years of meta play) might be blinding me from what can be UD's next big thing

    And if u wanna discuss in more detail feel free to PM ME

    PS don't complain about UD or whatever being whatever, forget it, just think what we can do.
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  2. Silveraine

    Silveraine I need me some PIE!

    Couldn't get past the BOOB sorry :oops::rolleyes:
  3. badgerale

    badgerale Warchief of Wrath

    I think partly UD is suffering from IS being popular, since those smelly hairy midgets counter us pretty hard with their hammerstrikes and melee skills.

    some more counterspell a bit like dark pact would be nice
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  4. Yourmom

    Yourmom The King of Potatoes

    I agree we do need synergy. It's too easy for other factions to find synergy. We do have to dig deep into it, but I like that. That's why I continue to play UD. It's challenging.

    I think most of us are stuck in a mentality. We can't get past our normal spells. What if we could get font advantage with heretic overlord and late for battle? What about blood exchange and life drinker? Why don't I see exile used more often? I know you could give me reasons but I think we are stuck with the same spell set and then we are trying to find champs that fit each other. I think our most powerful attribute as a faction is our spells/equipment and we have efficient champs.

    Also I wish our firebow was 1 less AP and scratch the damage. If IS can have spot pummel/global invulnerability physical, then why can't we have spot range?

    Also give greater pitspawn fire eater. ;)
  5. Fentum

    Fentum I need me some PIE!

    This is a good point.

    I like my Pincushions, Fire Elementals, Waroggs, etc.

    I LOVE Ireguards, but not sure about efficiency. They need something to maximise their three attacks per round. Such as an arachnablade, or a hate leech. Plus protection such as Dark Pact. Less efficient then, but a decent centrepiece for the efficient guys to support.

    There is a bit of Beast synergy around and I have taken to running a Bunny Lord. No, really.
  6. mw24

    mw24 I need me some PIE!

    This is only part of the story. Any of my strong bgs would have overpowered your UD bg. I am not even using my competitive bg atm, just ranking up with paladins.(much weaker bg than dwarf or mixed) UD overall is really weak atm and overnerfed. I told you guys the nerfs were too much before they went live, lol. Also I don't understand why UD's ranged units are always sandbagged to hell or have little to no damage. Also UD has always been weak to cc(since revamp at least), I have complained about this for a while and people just tell me to suicide my dudes with sac or retri, lol.

    dark pact sucks and is a terrible spell. split personality was nice before people convinced sokolov to nerf it to the ground. A spell blocker would be nice.
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2015
  7. Fentum

    Fentum I need me some PIE!

    @mw24 interested to know why you believe that Dark Pact sucks and is a terrible spell? I find it very effective indeed WHEN it fires. The issue is that it is rather situational. I wouldn't say it sucked per se, in fact it has won me several matches through unexpected tempo gain. 7/10 times vs Hammerstrike. The rest vs Vertical Push, Blink, etc. Overall, I run it in some BGs but not in others. Quite balanced I reckon.

    Genuinely interested in your thoughts on it.
  8. mw24

    mw24 I need me some PIE!

    It is not reliable at all. Really bad spell.
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  9. Fentum

    Fentum I need me some PIE!

    It just won me my last match vs a slag deck a moment ago! Situational, yes. Really bad? Not sure. I enjoy spells such as DP as they involve out-thinking your opponent's moves. Each to their own I guess as there are many ways to play Pox.
  10. Axeraiser

    Axeraiser I need me some PIE!

    UD tends to be my toughest match up funnily enough
  11. chickenpox2

    chickenpox2 I need me some PIE!

    I thought that with the recent expansion it moving further from theme abd more towards metas
    Even if it is it mostly focus on fire and deep elves

    MEATMAN Forum Royalty

    I found out that you can double heal balefire knight, putting mandate on him doesn't proc quest kill until the second kill.
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  13. Fentum

    Fentum I need me some PIE!

    I find that UD works well with two modules. Arrow Eater and Fire, for example. But I never play ranked so you can ignore me.

    IMAGIRL Forum Royalty

    Pretty sure Badgerale already has one of these threads.
  15. futant

    futant Well-Known Member

    I've also came back from hiatus and have been experimenting with different bgs in rank. Long story short what I've been thinking of is how cool a fire + elf bg would be. It's very limited in actual champ selection, but it does have one possible combo that has an UD feel to it.

    Purefire + Firelight Gem + Nefari Resurrection

    For extra boobidge use it with a fire dancer o_O
  16. Makorov

    Makorov I need me some PIE!

    Out of curiosity, what do you find difficult about facing UD?
    Gonna build around that Bane Shift lol

    MEATMAN Forum Royalty

    UD also has good stealth based bgs.
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  18. themacca

    themacca Master of Challenges

    Would also like to know. kthx
  19. RasielCZ

    RasielCZ I need me some PIE!

    IS generally has a single big champ supported by others, you single out the greatest threat and one round it, our big dmg dealers and strong spells help with that greatly, also since we are melee centric RD is not as effective and it is a great part od IS defense.
    I believe Axe talks more about playstile than single runes
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  20. jvne

    jvne Well-Known Member

    Currently only savage tundra is played less than UD. Sokolov sux at balance.

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