I think Europe should let in more refugees

hey look I can see the American wars on drugs and socialism/communism in south america from here.

the 1970's was weird. i've gone ahead and added the main group responsible. to
this list of terrorist incidents in the Netherlands

info has come out that the deaths of the hostage takers in the 1975 trainjacking may have been more an execution method rather than completely neccesary and justified. Still I can't stand to sit in a train for more than an hour so after 3 weeks I think the 2 hostages and 6 out of 7 hostage takers were glad for the sweet release of death.

 

I just had to look this up
Islam was founded year 610 and split 632
and the catholic churces split in 1054
(if the wikies are correct)
so the war between sunni and shia is longer then the catholic war was, and its still going on.

thanks for making me looking up "important" things while eating breakfast

 

yeah i rethought that after i had posted, because i realized the schism wouldn't necessarily coincide with the anathemas (assuming i had the schism's starting point correct, which it seems i flubbed ): )

also you're welcome

 

I take it you demonise Christianity as well? IRA bombings were a thing, they were primarily Catholics. School shootings are a thing in the States, those tend to be Protestants. And what about the KKK? Or are they all alright because there's a good number of Christians who do good work in the community? In the same way that many Muslims do? If you're arguing that religion is an often barbaric teacher with a few nice bits that people like to cherry pick, then I can get on board with that. If you're specifically targeting the extremists of one religion and opting to directly compare them to the average practitioner of another, then there's some serious dishonesty going on in how you're approaching the issue.

The actions of an extremist minority within a group do not represent the group as a whole. It's strange that it needs saying, but then we live in strange times.

The bombing is a tragedy, and one that I do not wish to see repeated. Rather than have a kneejerk 'kick all Muslims out' response, we have to ask why a British kid felt that he had more in common with a terrorist organisation than his own countrymen? Why was the correct choice to kill himself and nearly two dozen innocents? Why did he view his own country as an enemy?

I don't pretend to have all the answers to these questions, but I'd be willing to bet that the ostracisation of Islam and general racist overtones of our most right wing papers, most notably the Daily Mail, as well as the rise in popularity of groups like the EDL, the BNP, and UKIP, and the barrage of anti-immigrant and anti-muslim trash they churn out probably played no small part.

 

this is a list of global terrorist attacks in just january of 2017, other months are available as well. List group affilitaion etc.
Gives you a good idea of how many radical christian groups are involved in terrorism.

edit to include february and march as well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_January_2017

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_February_2017

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_March_2017

 

that only shows how many groups are currently comitting attacks.
but that is a bad indicator as evidenced by 1970's mollucan hostage taking in the NL or the Northern Irish situation.

 

Holier than thou.

Just because the coolaid drinkers aren't united, doesn't mean they're not performing attacks labeled as terrorism.

 

When have I ever supported any of those ********..... Your spinning my words to fit your narrative and that's fine whatever you feel works for you. I hate " Every single religion equally, all they do is cause problems since the beginning of time, i've stated I hate religion in probably a million different threads now, you blaming crazy Christians is totally fine with me."

He didn't ever consider himself a British dude, he was a Muslim dude and their lies the problem I brought up in another thread. Refugees, Immigrants, they aren't adapting to where they are going they want those countries to adapt to them. It wasn't his country because it was the West, and Europe what are you people grasping about this ? Muslims do not like our culture it is a complete and utter slap in the face to any religious Muslim. It's not even that they don't dislike us individually they dislike us culturally which covers many more groups of people.

I strongly dislike every religion, helped you out here.

 

I have never seen super71 distance himself from the violent groups officially so clearly no american can be trusted.

the german chancellor has even just said america is not reliable, can't trust them.

 

All conservatives are evangelicals.

Don't lie

 

You have not, but you're also much faster to criticise attacks carried out by Muslims than you are attacks carried out by Christians. I'd frankly be horrified if you did support extremism in any form, even though we disagree on a lot, I don't think we disagree on the barbaricness of those kinds of acts.

I suppose it's possible, I can say that I'm not doing so to deliberately misrepresent you though. I'll take an idea to its logical end point to illustrate a point, but I'm not quoting things you've not said.

Duly noted, from what I've seen though, Islam remains the much more commonly commented on one.

He wasn't an immigrant. He was born here and raised here. Again, I interact with Muslims on a daily basis, not one of them has threatened me or insulted my way of life. The issue is not the religious group, it is the extremist and fundamentalist interpretations of the religion. The reason why I refuse to tar every Muslim with the same brush is because your sweeping statements about the nature of Muslims holds no water for me. The actions of the Manchester bomber was denounced across my country, by Christians, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Hindus, Sikhs, and whatever else you want to throw onto the list. There was an outpouring of aid from the Islamic community in Manchester. Islamic doctors fought to save lives. The actions of a minority are not the actions of the majority.

Someone is not worthy of hate solely because of what they believe. A person is not worthy of deportation because the god they pray to is different to the traditional one for your country. An ethnicity is not worthy of ostracisation because a group with similar beliefs in an entirely different part of the world are barbaric.

You have made yourself clear on religion, so let me be clear on terrorism. I oppose it thoroughly. I find the idea that someone can see killing bystanders to be a just an honourable cause to be not only the right thing, but the necessary thing, to be loathsome. I despise the idea of radicalisation, and the sad reality that there are vulnerable members of society being perverted by it crushes me. But radicalisation preys on people who are told they are worthless. It promises them acceptance and an eternal paradise if they just do this one thing, if they just strike out at those who tread on them. For as long as terrorist acts are allowed to divide us, new recruits will be plentiful to perpetuate the cycle. That is my view on the matter, and that is why I wholeheartedly oppose your insistence that we just treat every single Muslim as a potential terrorist.

You said that already.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/police-dealing-incident-london-bridge-223405605--abc-news-topstories.html

I believe their was a couple attacks in the last few days, now listen if this was Christians doing this crazy Bane Shift i'd say take them out back and shoot them also, but it just so happens to keep being Muslims. We can continue pushing that all Muslims are good and sing a pretty song every time they kill, but the reality is something should be done sooner rather than later.

I'm actually hoping it was some crazy religious christian just so my point isn't further proven, but i'm not holding my breath.

 

So im confused, what you said about the christian hypothetical implies you're in favor of punishing the person responsible, why is that different if it's a muslim?

 

apparently if it is muslims there should be collective punishment or something according to our (mostly american) friends.

this has been considered a war crime since the second world war where the SS nutzis would decimate or eradicate entire villages as reprisal for assasinations or attacks.

 

Just curious because i have no idea
but the IRA had almost nothing to do with religion, it was all about money/power and hate for englishgoverenment in general and they wanted to goveren themselfs instead of being a part of UK?
the OIRA (sinn fein) where communists (or marxists that is more correct term?) more then religious fanatics

imo IRA is a bad example if you want to show christian terrorists

just some boring links that i found was a bit interesting to read while drinking morning coffee
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Army
https://www.quora.com/Was-the-IRA-a-Christian-Catholics-terrorist-group
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/topics/troubles_paramilitaries

so if you have other info/links saying it was a religious terrorgroup/war show me because i couldnt find any until my coffee did go cold

 

but I didn't?

the point is that there was more terrorism in the past but nobody cared because most of it was not muslims fanatics and america had twin towers or something. if you really want to look at "terror" you should look into the US use of drones and the amount of collateral dammage.

using WW2 as an example; when Polish or Russian planes run out of ammo and use a suicidal ramming attack against a German plane it is Tragic but neccesary/Heroic.
when the Japanese used the same tactic? not marketed as such in history is it?

 

im starting to get the feeling that we will see Britain leading the way on how to fight back against home grown terrorism. just remember that I said a long time ago that the muslim community needed to police itself.

feel free to bark and howl liberals. you aren't doing them any favors.

 

Execpt that the Muslim community does police itself. Often these fanatics are shunned from their mosques because they are too radical.


When are you going to start policing all those KKK members and racists who kill people for looking different? Your level of ignorance is disgusting.

 

then they need to get better at it

 

So do you

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/27/us/portland-train-attack-muslim-rant.html?_r=0

the insane idiocy that you swear by causes these things, yet you don't policy the garbage that comes out of your mouth. Straight racist attack, when can I visit your town hall in which you apologize for this horror and vow to personally look into the facts, to make sure this never happens, as you are responsible for this attack too.