I would like to advocate for a change to: Revier Hydraxor

Discussion in 'Forglar Swamp' started by Gnomes, Jan 30, 2017.

  1. Gnomes

    Gnomes I need me some PIE!

    http://s-qpoxdb.rhcloud.com/ability/1917

    http://s-qpoxdb.rhcloud.com/champ/1648

    The ability gives:

    "While this champion is in play, Hydraxor costs 10% less nora to deploy. While Hydraxor is in play, any damage this champion deals counts toward Hydraxor's Quest: Damage. This champion gains Regeneration 1."

    This is a 10 nora ability.

    With 2 champs out with Revier Hydraxor you pay 20 nora in ability and get back 17.4 nora for the 20% refund off of hydraxor.

    That means. for upfront cost of +20 and an ending cost of about 1,3 nora you get regen 1 and the dmg counts to quest dmg for hydraxor.

    First off, you will not usually get both Revier champs out first/before hydraxor.

    Secondly, having their dmg count too hydraxor's quest does very little because hydraxor will get to the quest dmg very quickly because of his cleave anyhow.

    Proposed change:

    Hydraxors Flavor text indicates he is a "ancient protector of Forglar"
    Quagmirrians Flavor text also says "We are the Old Ones. We protect Forglar and serve its kin. - Quagmirrian Pytal"
    Firk Prophet "The Firk prophets are revered for their premonitions, since precognition is rare." And premonition in our case means protect.

    so... how about.

    While this champion is in play, Hydraxor costs 10% less nora to deploy. While Hydraxor is in play, this champion gains ___________.

    Hold the line?

    Train:defense and train:damage?

    more suggestions appreciated.
     
  2. Gnomes

    Gnomes I need me some PIE!

  3. Dolcebrodude

    Dolcebrodude The King of Potatoes

    I get that the ability is weak but the "Damage goes to Hydraxor's Quest: Damage" bit is very exciting. Like it's the kind of ability I'd read and try to make a bg around. Now this obviously fails because the Quest is not that amazing but what if there was a way to keep a similar master-servant interaction? Something like "this champion gains Quest: Damage and damage dealt by Hydraxor counts to this quest" like the current ability but reversed?
     
  4. Goyo

    Goyo I need me some PIE!

    I would rather see it replaced with anything else, rather than feel it could be awesome "some day"...
     
  5. Tweek516

    Tweek516 I need me some PIE!

    Hmm its on Almsgiver right? Any way protective could work?
     
  6. Dolcebrodude

    Dolcebrodude The King of Potatoes

    Currently on Firk Prophet and Quagmirrian.

    Protective: Hydraxor could be a new ability to make those support champs pack a bigger punch when big daddy hydra is out.
     
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  7. Gnomes

    Gnomes I need me some PIE!

    I also would like to keep him in the theme of aquatic/semiaquatic.

    and because you do not run any firk in those really... maybe we can change prophet to be more aquatic/semi aquatic based.

    I do want to STRESS that Aquatic is a theme too!!! not only semis, so please dont get rid of them.... they already lost hydraxor as a "AQUATIC" champ.
     
  8. Tweek516

    Tweek516 I need me some PIE!

    What about granting hydrate? Might make quag obselete though.
     
  9. Gnomes

    Gnomes I need me some PIE!

    While hydraxor is in play, gain marsh lesson. Also marsh lesson cost 4 nora instead of 8
     
  10. Ohmin

    Ohmin I need me some PIE!

    A couple questions:

    Are any "Revere" abilities even really used?

    If so which ones, and how valuable are their effects?

    I know the Thirion one gives +Range, Icesnap gives a conditional double damage effect etc. But I don't know that any of these get used anymore (and whether or not that's because they are actually also bad or if it's just that people don't like those dragons... seemed like Icesnap still got used now and then though).

    Of course, given the higher costs of some of these dragons the base Revere discount effect will be more valuable for some than others. Hydraxor I believe is one of if not the cheapest one, so it might also be worth considering a higher value secondary effect in relation to that.


    Though really they should probably all just lose their discounts and work more like Neophyte or Page or those ones that benefit while Juya is in play... (and have appropriate abilities and costs off that).
     
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  11. Gnomes

    Gnomes I need me some PIE!

    The akakios one gets used every so often too.
     
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  12. Dolcebrodude

    Dolcebrodude The King of Potatoes

    Been trying to break Revere: Akakios for a while but got frustrated with how mediocre Priest of Fury is on it's own.
    Revere: The Exile is good in Deep Wounds bgs.
     
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2017
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  13. calisk

    calisk I need me some PIE!

    I really don't want to see more hydraxors in play.....

    the abiltiy is fine though I suspect it will be a pain in the ass to code using their system
     
  14. Gnomes

    Gnomes I need me some PIE!

    Its more about seeing more of the revier champs in play.

    Hydraxor himself is a whole othere topic. He is quite strong with aquatic talisman and spont regen. That is for over 100 nora though.
     
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  15. Ohmin

    Ohmin I need me some PIE!

    I mean, personally I think Prophet is fine... without the Revere upgrade (and fixing that would open up options which would be very nice)... but I also kind of think that Quagmirrian got a little over-tweaked in general from back when he saw some play, and that fixing Revere would help but not really solve all his problems... but that's just my perspective.
     

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