Lack of Upgrades Suggestions

Thanks, i will edit it.

Flame strike 1 (4 nora)
Flame Prison (7 nora)
Flameburst (8 nora)
Fire Jab (4 nora)

I would still replace Jab for F.Strike, same price and its different.


Wait, its not rank 1, you condenced all the ranks. Then i dont know how much it costs (i was looking in PoxBase for those)

 

Skywing Agitator
Current:
U1: Call to Arms, Multiattack, Excertion 3
U2: Flame Strike

Idea:
U1: Call to Arms, Multiattack, Excertion 3
U2: Flame Strike, +Illuminate or +Purging Flames, +Solar Flare or +Set Ablaze

 

Myx Spitter
Current:
U1: Doman Sand, Sunder, TunnelSand 2
U2: Scour

Idea:
U1: Doman Sand, Sunder, TunnelSand 2
U2: Scour, +Preparation, +Initiator

Why:
Preparation is fun because this champ has Dissipate base.
Initiator because of its lore, its supposed to be a premature born sandsnipe that hatched early to defend the hive, so it gets to shoot first.

 

Dragon Handler:

Now
u2 - Surge Drag 1

Idea
u2
Add - Call to Arms and Random immun

Keep in mind that his text says
Chosen for their remarkably rare immunities, the Dragon Handlers are the elite protectors of Valdec's most valuable assets.

 

@Sokolov Tortuns are in a very bad shape, most of them lack 2 or 3 upgrades.. and from the ones that have them all most of those have repetitive upgrades (like rend ranks or resistance ranks) will this thread go anywhere? because it would take a lot of work to writte each one of them and come up with a good balanced suggestion to help the theme

I will color red the ones that are in worst shape

Exotic Tortuns:
Tremir: Lacking 2 upgrades. ITS AN EXO AND A HERO
Privateer Captain: Lacking 2 upgrades.
Tortun Captain: Lacking 2 upgrades in the same path. Its an EXO

Rare tortuns:
Repeater: Lacking 1 upgrade, U1 are ranks for LayTrap fire(which should be condenced into one upgrade) so its lacking 3 upgrades
Portalmage: Lacking 1 upgrade.
Gunslinger: Lacking 2 upgrades in the same path.
Favored: Lacking 3 upgrades.
Corsair: Lacking 2 upgrades in the same path.
Battlemystic: Lacking 2 upgrades in the same path.

Uncommon tortuns:
Slamhammer: Lacking 2 upgrades, U1 its ranks of pummel.
Inventor: Lacking 2 upgrades in the same path.
Hawker: Lacking 2 upgrades
Galesinger: Lacking 2 upgrades in the same path.
Broadside: Lacking 3 upgrades. U1 is two ranks of Barrage(which should be condenced into one), i would say this one lacks 4 upgrades.
Tortalleon Pigmy: U1 is ranks of enrage, U2 is ranks of Rend..

Common tortuns:
Gunbattery: U1 is ranks of resist fire..
Transport: lol rly?
Fishkisser: Lacks 2 upgrades in the same path, U1 its ranks of Tough
Grenadier: U1 its ranks of FireBomb, U2 its ranks of Explosiveattak
Groundpounder: Lacks 2 upgrades in the same path.
Minelayer: U1 is ranks of Explosiveatk, U2 its ranks of deploy Stone Trap(which should be condenced into one upgrade)
Mortar: Lacks 2 upgrades

*Two things we should discuss:
Barrage rank 1 and rank 2 to condence into one.
Laytrap Fire, stone, ice, poison and acid to condence all their ranks. A different idea is that they get condenced to rank 1 and 2, deal the same ammount of dmg but rank 2 applys frozen/shocked/charred/Scoured/Poisoned/etc.

 

Skeezick Cannoneer
Current:
U1: Power Strike (1), Power Strike (2), Power Strike (3)
U2: Defenseless

Idea:
U1: Power Strike (1), Power Strike (2), Power Strike (3)
U2: Defenseless, +Stasis, +Easy Target

 

Would anyone really ever take Easy Target over defenseless?

 

Lonx Strike -
U1: Strike, Ready, Sunder
U2: Heart Strike, Provision: Off, Provision: Def

If Sunder + Provision is too good then Sunder can be moved onto U2.

 

skeezick whorl U2: boost skeezick

 

skeezick general U2: boost skeezick

 

Lonx Hunt Leader:
U2: Rend 1, Command: Dodge

 

Accursed Scrofela -
U2: Ponderous, Slothful, Vulnerable, Easy Target

Anthropomancer -
U1: harvest Organs, Death Charged 2, Abuse Charged 3
U2: Eternal Life, Adaptive, Anthomancy

Arctic Beast-
U1: Cripple, weary, gore

Bile Zombie-
U2: Bile Explosion 3, Bile Explosion 4, Choking Stench (or maybe propagate carrionling?)

Bladed Corpse-
U1: Shred Defense, Sunder (2), Render

Bone Circle Archmage -
U2: Augment Creation, Summon Skeleton 3, Summon: Bone Trap

Bone Elemental-
U1: consume, op assault, Bulwark Skeleton
U2: Hunter Righteous, Charge 3, Block 2

BoneCrusher-
U2:Seige, execute, Zombie Apocolypse

Bonegaurd Infantry-
U1: Logistics Speed, Stat bonus Speed, Provision Speed
U2: Block 1, Block 2, Provision: Defense

Decayed Mercenary-
U1: Unstopable, Dead Eater, Splintering
U2: Block 1, Block 2, Provision: Defense
Base - Add Provision: Utility

Bonewing-
U1: Dread, Rebuke 3, terrorize
U2: Boost Skeleton, Defender, Invigorate 2

Broken Bones:
U2: Faithless, Vulnerable, Splintering

Carrionling:
U1: Immunity Acid, Soul Linked, Harvest Organs
U2: Curse 1, Dead Eater, Creeping Harvest

Collection of Souls:
U1: Transfer life 1, Transfer Life 2, Inspire
U2: Hex 1, Hex 2, Soul Collection

Corpse Golem-
U1: Disease Aura 3, Rabid 3, Revere: Mairdreth

Corruptor-
U1: Soulharvest 1, Soulharvest 2, Soulstrike
U2: Weaken Spells, Desecrated Zone 3, Desecrate Earth

Crawling Corpse:
U2: Mudsling, Punishing Aura, Splintering

Fadewisp:
U1: Charged: Attack, Poison 1, Choking Stench (or Charged Disease Breath)

Crossbone:
U1: Inhibiting Touch, Rabid, Rotting Blows

Dark Familiar:
U2: Vieled Flight, Shadestrike, ShadowShift
Base- Elsari Dusk

Dead Fairy:
U1- Initiative 1, Initiative 2, Realocate speed
U2: Rabid 1, Death Nova: Disease 3, Antagonize

Death Guard:
U1: Slam, Knockback 3, Tremor

DemonVein Vampire:
U1: Blood Rage, MultiAttack 1, MultiAttack 2

Disturbed Spirit:
U1: Possess 1, Possess 2, Possess 3
U2: Haunt 2, Haunt 3, Reclaim Relic

Bone Mason:
U2: Bone Mason 1, Bone Mason 2, Shrine LInked

Eternal Lich:
U1: Scry 1, Scry 2, Unspeakable
U2: Dark Favor 1, Dark Favor 2, Phsycic Jab

Etheral Soldier:
U2: Hex 2, Curse 2, Execute

Festering Corpse:
U2: Latch On, Death Nova Disease, Revere: Mairdreth

Gravewatcher:
U1: Easy Target, Vulnerable: Physical, Resurect 1

High Warlock:
U2: Ravish, consume, Grant: Death nova fire

Hoarfrost Dragon:
U2: Savage Exploit, Swoop, Forsaken Exploit

Lich King:
U1: Teleport 1, Teleport 2, Grand Entrance
U2: Oblivion Shield, Imortality, Eternal Life

Lich Magistrate:
U1: Inhibiting Touch, Rabid 1, siphoning Aura

Lich's Servitor:
U1: Exertion 1, Exertion 2, Exertion 3

Lichling:
U1: Forced Ignorance, Gift of Scrying, Lay Trap Boulder
U2: Initiative 1, Initiative 2, Reclaim Relic

Magnus the fallen:
U1: Adaptive, Paralytic Strike, Desecrate Earth

Matriarch Sarinda:
U2: Death Harvest, Eradicate, Absorb Relic

Mindtheif Creeper:
U2: Initiative 1, Initiative 2, Body Jumper (creeping harvest?)

Mysian Necromancer:
U1: Boost Skeleton, Summon Festering Corpse, Summon Bone Trap

Necromancer:
U1: Curse 1, Curse 2, Grant: Electricity Aura
U2: Elsari Coven, Boost Skeleton, Resurect

Phantasmal Creeper:
U1: Commander, Magic Aura 2, Magic Nova 3
U2: Hex 2, Horrific Aura 3, Fear 3

Undead Magister:
Add Soulsift to Upgrade 1

Soul Siren:
Add Fascinate to Upgrade 2

Rip Witch:
Add Bloodspurt & BloodTracker to upgrade 2
Vampyre race added (bloodwitch rename)

 

Rotmaw Creaper-
Add Choking stench to Upgrade 2

 

I did all the tortuns i could, i admit that there are a couple upgrades that are fillers but still.

Tremir Craghide
Current:
Base: Atk Phisical, Pistol Shot, Cannon Barrage, Split Hero, Tortun Shell
U1: Violence Charged 1, Violence Charged 2
U2: Rogue Foe, Tortuns Trade

Idea:
Base: Atk Phisical, Violence Charged 2, Cannon Barrage, Split Hero, Tortun Shell
U1: Pistol Shot, +Protective,+Attack Charged
U2: Rogue Foe, Tortuns Trade, +Declare Vengeance

Why: Problem with this one is that "Cannon Barrage" costs charges so U1 would be doomed to have Charged-related abilities, so i traded "violence charged 2" with "Pistol Shot" base, that gave me freedom to pick cool upgrades.
U1 is about choosing if you want a range attack, boost your basic dmg or another way to spend charges.


Privateer Captain
Current:
U1: Change of Plans, Cripple
U2: Summon Landmine, Summon Artillery Marker

Idea:
U1: Change of Plans, Cripple, +Commander
U2: Summon Landmine, Summon Artillery Marker, +Summon Flashbang

Why: Commander for a captain sounds ok, also added another summon relic as additional option.


Tortun Captain
Current:
U1: Pindown, Restrict, Ready 2
U2: Tortuns Trade,

Idea:
U1: Pindown, Restrict, Ready 2
U2: Tortuns Trade, +Command Charge, +Instigate

Why: a Command for the captain and Instigate, this champ is all about boosting friendlys and it already has a lot of ap gen so a Dmg boost like instigate would work i think

 

Rare tortuns lacking upgradeS:

Tortun Repeater
Current:
U1: Laytrap Fire 1, Laytrap Fire 2, Laytrap Fire 3
U2: Sentinel, Defensive Strike

Idea:
U1: Laytrap Fire 3, +Hunter Equipped, +Hunter Meek
U2: Sentinel, Defensive Strike, +Empowered Range

Why: Gave it a couple abilities to hurt more specific champs and if "auto attacks" doesnt fill you then you can go with a bit longer range. I'm searching new abilities which are not in poxbase to find better options.

Tortun Gunslinger
Current:
U1: ComboAttack DeclareTarget, Piercing Shot 1, Piercing Shot 2
U2: Banditry

Idea:
U1: ComboAttack DeclareTarget, +Counterattack Ranged, Piercing Shot 2
U2: Banditry, +Provision Offense, +Heart Strike

Why: To help the comboattack trigger you can pick Provision and equip it or use heartstrike wisely.

Tortun Favored
Current:
U1: Nora Shield 1, Nora Shield 2
U2: Empowered Range

Idea:
U1: Nora Shield 1, +Nexus Aura, +Dispelling Blows
U2: Empowered Range, +Summon Watershed Anchor, +Cloak

Why: i kept and gave U1 Dispelling to have a "on hit effect" kit, nexus aura is nice with tortuns(if a tortun is turtled then it takes no dmg) and i gave the options of Anchor and Cloak for fun combos for those willing to build around them. Its in a boat so anchor makes sense and its supposed to control sea mist so cloak makes sense

Tortun Corsair
Current:
U1: Resonance, Pilfer, Tariff
U2: Banditry

Idea:
U1: Banditry, Tariff, +Nora thief
U2: Resonance, Pilfer, +Attack Charged 2

Why: U1 for Nora control abilities and U2 as complementary kits.
Note*: This champ has a sword and its basic attack is a a Gun, it already has Pistol shot so imo its basic attack should be changed to "Attack Phisical". The equip "Thunder" would still trigger its secondary effect thanks to Pistol Shot.


Tortun Battlemystic
Current:
U1: Imm.Fire, Imm.Frost, Imm.Sonic
U2: Windstriker

Idea:
U1: Imm.Fire, Imm.Frost, Imm.Sonic
U2: Windstriker, +Mystic Push, +Council Spells

 

Uncommon tortuns:

Tortun Slamhammer
Current:
U1: Pummel 1, Pummel 2, Pummel 3
U2: Comboattack Stun

Idea:
U1: Pummel 2, +Vindictive, +Hammer Throw
U2: Comboattack Stun, +Hunter Equipped, +Punish

Why: I was using Skeezick Wrecker as a model for this one, both have a stunnlike ability, both react to equipps.


Tortun Inventor
Current:
U1: Spark Charge, Fry, Paralyze
U2: Banditry

Idea:
U1: Spark Charge, Fry, Paralyze
U2: Banditry, +jolt 2, +Electricity Aura 2

Why: Im still looking for better options than this. will edit soon


Tortun Hawker
Current:
U1: Call to Arms, Detection 3
U2: Declare Hunted, Declare Target

Idea:
U1: Call to Arms, Detection 3, +Designate Escapegoat
U2: Declare Hunted, Declare Target, +Impair Vision
Why: Hawky abilities, filler mostly.


Tortun Galesinger
Current:
U1: Windaura, Windstriker, Gale
U2: Banditry

Idea:
U1: Windaura, Windstriker, Gale
U2: +Enveloping Mist, +Healing Wind, +Desmoralizing Descant or +Siren Song
Why: Lorewise it controls wind and mist thats why EM and HWind, the other two options are "Songs" because it is a Galesinger


Tortun Broadside
Current:
U1: Barrage 1, Barrage 2
U2: Comboattack Slam

Idea:
U1: Barrage 1, +Provision Offense, +Exertion 1
U2: Comboattack Slam, +Tortuns Trade, +Hunter Gigant

Why: Condensed Barrage 1 and 2 into one option, used U1 for abilities that help to trigger Comboattack. The options on U2 are mostly fillers. Hunter Gigant is cool tho

Tortalleon Pigmy
Current:
U1: Enrage 1, Enrage 2, Enrage 3
U2: Rend 1, Rend 2, Rend 3

Idea:
U1: +Clamp, +Ponderous Blows, +Crushing Blow
U2: Rend 3, +Hunter Meek, +Enrage 2

 

Common tortuns:

Tortalleon Gunbattery
Current:
U1: Resist Fire 1, Resist Fire 2, Resist Fire 3
U2: Vul. Magic, Vul Disease, Vul Acid

Idea:
U1: Resist Fire 3, +Tremor, +Imposing Aura
U2: Vul. Magic, Vul Disease, +Weighty

Why: Condenced resists into one option, Added Tremor because i loved when it had it. The Aura is a Filler. Weighty to cheap it more than Vul. in exchange of movility

Tortun Fishkisser
Current:
U1: Tough 1, Tough 2, Tough 3
U2: Manic

Idea:
U1: Tough 2, +Charge 3, +Punish
U2: Manic, +Lead the Charge, +Break the Line

Why: Well this is the type of warrior that just desnt give a Firk and runs into enemy lines alone, so for this ones i made the Charge+BtL kit, gave the Lead the Charge option and Punish is just a filler.

Tortun Grenadier
Current:
U1: Fire Bomb 1, Fire Bomb 2, Fire Bomb 3
U2: Explosive Attack 1, Explosive Attack 2, Explosive Attack 3

Idea:
U1: Fire Bomb 3, +Deathnova Fire 3, +Empowered Range
U2: Explosive Attack 1, Explosive Attack 3, +Fire Blast

Why: Gave it the option to resign the bomb in exchange of on-hit AoE with Fireblast

Tortun Groundpounder
Current:
U1: Tremor, Crushing Blow, Charge 3
U2: Banditry

Idea:
U1: Tremor, Crushing Blow, Charge 3
U2: Banditry, +Tortuns Trade +Raider


Tortun Minelayer
Current:
U1: Explosive Attack 1, Explosive Attack 2, Explosive Attack 3
U2: Laytrap Boulder 1, Laytrap Boulder 2, Laytrap Boulder 3

Idea:
U1: Explosive Attack 2, +Detonate Relic, +Relocate Relic
U2: Laytrap Boulder 3, +Bounce, +Deathnova Fire


Tortun Mortar
Current:
U1: Burn, Laytrap Fire 1
U2: Siege, Seism

Idea:
U1: Burn, Siege, Seism
U2: +Reckless, +Recoil, +Weighty

 

Overcharged Golem's U1 is: Paralytic Strike, Electricity Aura (3). I'm suggesting adding Attack: Electricity on this line (as in, it would be in addition to its Physical attack).

Its current upgrades work for him (at least in theory), but I think there are many situations and many people who would appreciate just having him as a straight up Electric damage champ, without sacrificing access to some alt damage (Physical damage is an alt type in Electricity bgs).

 

Lonx Marauder

U1 upgrade set - Shadow Spawn, Logistics speed, + Hidden Arctic

u2 upgrade set pretty much covers the them for this champ

 

Jakei Elven Ancestor

Back to Full ST since she has been an Iconic champ for ST for so long (Plus she can be super abused in a split with KF)

Core Abilities - Frost Vines, Freezing Aura, Grant frost aura, amp frost.


U1 - Avalanche, Gale, Arctic Bolt

U2 - Freeze, Force Barrier, Crystallize

Same Base stats.

Sorry for the other changes, but had to get rid of her other base abilities. To build her theme.