Last attempt at saving UD

So I was encouraged by @Gutsa to make this thread as a last attempt to save my faction because the representative from the council either hate this faction or just lack interest in standing up for it. Also the attack waves coming from people who are literally the bottom % of pox despite playing the best themes are starting to resonate and while I did decide to get frustrated silently my chat with gutsa gave me a ray of hope that this thread my finally open up peoples eyes to UD.

UD is quite a simple faction to play and isnt as complicated as most of the other themes out there...unfortunately this makes its strength far too easy to spot and cry about despite being no where near as crazy as other factions. This leads to the faction being either abused by everyone in the lobby or completely deserted after the wave of nerfs hits and this is starting to become unbearably repetitive.

here are the changes that i can remember that ''killed'' the runes and I honestly blame the reflex nerf whines which puts the pressure on Sokolov ((who isnt to blame for most of them)) to act.

1. Korona : after losing oblivion shield the number of times ive seen her in play can be counted on one hand, and rightly so. Why should she be run? the nerf to batteleader and her general high cost and squishiness makes it an unlikely addition to any basic bg builder

2. Drain vitality: while the initial edition of the rune may have been good the change literally killed the rune, I havent seen this rune after change and personally it went from 2x auto in any bg to none at all

3. Fiery ambush: people kept whining about that spell despite frigid barrier being even better if u ask me in terms of securing the font and while I can understand a nerf call the change again Killed the rune

4. Mandate : while the -2 dmg isnt a big deal really its just an example of the relex nerf calls surrounding UD at any stage

5. Deep elf priestess relocate demon went up by to CD 3 for absolutely no reason and as any player with a basic understanding of UD will tell you the faction needs a reliable gap closer to be playable since most players will see you coming and play a posion or rock trap because they are counting on UD lack of cleansing giving us a HUGE disadvantage

6. Grimlic: while that change might satisfy really shitty players like super and dice , I just found it annoying symbolically rather than literally because its another demonstration of how being a newb and whining about random runes will get you a favorable result.

7. Imp whole theme: got Firking annihlated with the changes to their abilities and their general squishiness

8. Blood whole theme: again went from absolutely broken to being absolutely useless

9. I am going to insert perseverance here since it makes alot of our champs expensive but rarely come in handy and while i understand the meta has changed since their release i feel like that should be a point to address or change the ability

10. for the last rune i wanted to insert the most absurd nerf of all time...AVARICE
that equipment was nerfed merely 1 or 2 days post release because of the unbelievable whining that followed and went from 2x equip in any meta to 1x in imps even.

Now the usual suspects dice and super are back to their habit of whining and complaining that a 2 year old can beat them with them using skeletons and are back for culler and thunderhoof, units that i remind you werent patched or nerfed since their release. This is absolutely unacceptable....those units were more than fine and never has anyone cried about them being OP and if u want to argue they are powerful Ill bring up Sonicbolt / extinguisher/ fishkisser/ and many other over the top units that would be 10x more broken because at least their factions have sustain / clease.

Ill leave you with this note, if you still decide to change UD me and the rest of the proper UD players will adapt to other factions and will use that to still come out on top but the whiners will never stop. There used to be a time where whining in public was shamed and players were encourage to get better but now we are not only giving an ear to those idiots we are encouraging them to come out with more bullshit

anyways this is my 2 cents on the topic and the rest is up to anyone reading this to decide how they want pox to be

 

Thunderhoof and Culler are OP

Saying that is not an attack on UD or a desire from me to somehow gut the faction or the champs

Saying that simply means the champs are OP, without any nod to what has or hasn't happened to the faction in the past

 

so is extinguisher / sonicbolt / icefang/ tortun fishkisser but since they arent what dice and super got ***** by recently we can just gloss over that

 

This logic is not a viable defense (even if I agree with you on some of those)

 

Agreed.

Disagree.
How did Avarice look prior to nerf? I didn't see it on release.

 

pretty much adds manic to the champion and that was changed overnight to the current version

 

I WONDER WHY

 

The point isnt to stop the nerfs but to make them reasonable

its not ok to turn a unit from 2x auto to none at all

 

As should be evident from reading the thread dice made, neither he or super had any success at all in getting nerfs made... it's just that the resulting (tangential) discussion by others brought up some issues that resonated with sok.

 

Problem with blood theme is nerf of Blood magic to CD 3, the theme heavily relied on it and it is now no longer effective offensively.
That left only arbiter with a relevant blood ability, but with nerf to hunter fury is mosly better.
With current situation we would need some way to hurt our champs other than siphon so we could benefit form the heal factor of blood magic.

 

the key to UD is gap closers and all I ask is when one gap closer like ap gen / draging attack / draining and slowing champs etc is taken away or nerfed that they get a good gap closer in return

 

Simply I was hoping that if for example you increased the cost of boundless by 10 nora ud give the champion +1 speed for the duration of the spell

if you decreased the range of drain you also decrease its cost to something like 35 nora - 40

if you remove preparation from culler u give him + 1 speed

those arent finalised calls but that should be where the discussion starts

 

yes, because to do any relevant damage with blood magic you needed magus + 1-2 other champs with blood magic, with CD 3 magus needs 10 charges for a double cast which is not really possible