Last attempt at saving UD

Wouldn't this end up in collateral damage? He's the only rune it's an issue on.

 

not really 10 range arrow singers are also unbalanced so yeah prep nerf is probably ok

 

Okay. Should we separate the discussion from this to have a talk about preparation or keep it here? Just wondering what runes you think are problematic with it.

 

The only prep champ that's ever left me wanting more was silent master (where it's an upgrade) where it doesn't quite fit because you want to be attacking every turn with him to proc the warcry. And even then you still end up picking preparation over all the other options because it's Firking preparation.

 

Cause Bok are Firking awesome? I thought that was pretty self-evident.

It's good that you said that but I assumed that anyways so I always --when it comes to balance ideas -- tried to do my best to think of ways of reworking stuff so that it requires minimum potential work.

 

heh st will take one for the team, nerf preperation it will hurt silent master but we will just have to live with it, I'm not sure how we will survive without such an essential unit but oh well

 

Saying again that I think prep is fine on ranged champs, but is incredibly broken on melee champs. Why was it ever put on melee champs tbh. The value of it on a ranged champion Vs a melee champion is so differs so hugely that you can't price the ability the same for both scenarios.

 

nah mate I love you but saying that 10 range arrow singers is fine is just like a Firk you to logic and reason

 

When was the last time you saw that champion run in a competitive bg for purely gameplay reasons?

Rune is expensive, slow, and fragile with medium/low base damage. She's fine.

 

Nope, was entirely a thought exercise when swarm spider got brought up. The few times I've seen spiders recently, they were solid but just lacked something to make them tier 1.

The problem that stuck out in those games was that it didn't quite generate enough hp on board vs how fast units died or that it had problems with 1 rounding. Seemed like you traded spiderlings or heavier units off with each other. The regular units just couldn't compete tier 1 and if you went more spiderlings you couldn't quite 1 round without losing a ton of meat and having little regular unit backup. Basically the regular units aren't quite tier 1 and the spiderlings spam option isn't skeletons spammy/damaging enough. Just my uninformed impression from watching a few games, not really a ton of players to watch.

Might be a a bit nora constrained on those power turns from keeping meat up too now that I think on it.

 

When was culler seen outside me and mogabait playing him the same logic applies where out of the blue he was picked to be nerfed and in my book its better to nerf something across the board than to nerf a champion by itself for the sake of fairness

 

Huh? Culler is played in a ton of bgs. Sorry but I will defend my arrowsinger with tooth and claw

 

carrionlings are already doing the comedy swarm

 

they kill my sides

But not my champions

 

As Badger said, carrionlings are pretty comedy (as is the colossus himself - poor worms). I'd probably not start with swarm for spider tweaks.

I think spiders *need* boost. Past that maybe guard and/or improve range. Would be curious about those impacts before getting too creative.

 

you could use web terrain more loosely & use it to give speed benefits to spiders