Discussion in 'Ironfist Stronghold' started by Torgue, Apr 3, 2014.

  1. Torgue

    Torgue Member

    Does IS has any champions with majestic ability? So far none. Unless abilities to give majestic e.g. leoss magnate or NC fanatics. At least Dwarven king should have this ability. He is THE king after all. Checkout SL skywing eminent, with majestic and evasive, range 1-4, he can counter melee and range easily. What do you guys think?
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  2. Torgue

    Torgue Member

    btw, is there a way to un-majestic a majesticated champion (from passive majestic ability when engaged) besides disenganging or keeping distance from the majestic range? just wondering...
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  3. Rapidice

    Rapidice I need me some PIE!

    No you can't "cleanse" awestruck given by majestic by any other means than moving away from the champion.

    Yes, we don't have any majestic source besides Magnate, but not all factions have the same resources. Other factions can complain about our high def champions (Priest of Valdac has 3 def base), all the source of healing at our disposal, etc.

    I'd be happy with D.King getting Warding to justify it's huge nora cost.
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    ARlSTOTLE The King of Potatoes

    I had to like this post, for no other reason other than his use of the word: Majesticated. Reminds me of a "custom" decal job I saw someone put on a beat up old truck that said: Redneckerized.
  5. Anotherblackman

    Anotherblackman I need me some PIE!

    Dwarven King could get warding for -15 nora and divine favor 2 base.
  6. GabrielQ

    GabrielQ I need me some PIE!

    I don't think divine favor fits the dwarven king at all
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  7. Cydna

    Cydna Forum Royalty

    - Divine Favor
    + Warding
    - However much nora
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  8. RedScarlet

    RedScarlet I need me some PIE!

    Dwarven King is alr strong. No need to give him majestic. Warding is a good way to compensate his three digit cost.

    anyways, if you get majestic, SP should also have majestic (so far only Zoalt has majestic).

    If so, every faction should also have divine favor coz so far only ST, IS, KF, (and anthropomancer from FW) have access to divine favor.

    Rather than casting a spell, or equip (staff from SP only AOE heals for 6 hp), I'd rather have a global heal for 12 hp while at the same time, deploying a champion. And to make things worse, its on a 59 nora champ that Bodyguards and Antagonizes.
  9. TheNidhogg

    TheNidhogg I need me some PIE!

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  10. RedScarlet

    RedScarlet I need me some PIE!

    dang it
  11. Thbigchief

    Thbigchief I need me some PIE!

    - He's just so outdated...normally in this circumstance you can just let the rune die... but he is the "Dwarven King" and has a lot of nostalgia and is iconic. So that leaves us with the opportunity to revamp him. I'm no dorf lover but I can understand this issue. Here's where I would start...



    Divine favor
    Melee Specialist

    Legacy of Kings 1 - The first 4 damage each turn that would be dealt to friendly units, including this one, withing 6 spaces is prevented (mini-sepulcher of kings)


    Melee Specialist
    Divine favor
    Power Attack

    Racial synergy (Bulwark: dorf or Logistics: Bravery..not straight vanilla power)
    +1 speed
    Leverage: Dorf (wierd on a high cost champ or not weird dependent on situation)
    Crushing blow (Ability needs a nerf, but a basic attack that inflicts majestic-esque effect is flavorful for a king)

    - So this is a basic revamp proposal, the abilities and nora cost arent as important as the concept. The concept being that divine favor never felt right, you want this guy deployed ASAP and sometimes that meant divine favor was sandbagging your deploy options. Melee spec was ok, but just not unique enough for such an icon...and power attack is just wonky and I cant recall if it does or does not trigger warcry anymore since bererk attack doesnt (several changes who can keep up).

    - Legacy of King from the IS relic sepulcher of kings...just fits perfectly although the relic reduces damage by 8 which seemed excessive so perhaps levels could be used to tone it down for this champions purposes. Otherwise you run into the age old poxnora issue, how do I make this champion "hardy" and not ranged meat without overloading it with evasive,scale armor,tough etc. This ability can be sidestepped by attacking a different champ to proc then focus firing the King or vice versa.

    tl;dr - Let's be honest... Lich King got love...and these guys were adversaries since day one.
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  12. Torgue

    Torgue Member

    I agree with the chief. His a bit outdated. He should have something more unique/kingly abilities for no other reason than being THE dwarven king (rugolth?) plus his nora cost of 100. Suggested abilities sounds excellent (mobile sepulcher of king :)). His current Power attack is useless as it will not trigger warcry for powerturns. His main role these days with his current abilities is mainly to trigger powerturns with his warcry. other than that mybe that healing.

    Needs more that that for a 3 digit champs.
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2014
  13. Cydna

    Cydna Forum Royalty

    Didn't even realize he had power attack. Dwarven King's main role is getting War Cry off, so mayber Power Attack needs to go as well

    ARlSTOTLE The King of Potatoes

    Funny thing about this, is all things used to proc off all attacks. Crossbow Warcry DKs is what resulted in the whole "Basic Attack" addition to the game, where things now only proc off basic attacks.

    Those were the days. IS was hands down unstoppable when we had Crossbow Warcry, especially since there weren't nearly as many options back then for anti-equip and/or single turn or instant removal of a champion. Only competition for it was Possession/Mobi from FW iirc.

    That was also before the change to defense and attack/damage. You had an attack value, defense value, and damage value. The Armorer at that point along with Barbarian Commanders with Battlemaster 3 created what was known as the Phalanx build. They didn't just alter that state of play, so much as utterly destroyed it, never to return. We're close to somewhat of a revival of it with Nexus Aura, and Enduring Aura. Those along with Resilient or ranks of Tough (not to mention the way our faction bonus currently works, and some of our high defense champs), you can actually create a little bit of a phalanx once again. The problem, is you have to sink a lot more nora into it now, and it can crumble from the enemy using shenanigans to one round/insta-kill even one of your champs.
  15. Torgue

    Torgue Member

    Those must've been glory days for IS :)

    Now, they nerfed IS especially dwarfs so much..
  16. Baskitkase

    Baskitkase Forum Royalty

    DF never really made sense on him. You want him out early for warcry which would usually waste DF anyways. It's definitely a factor in his cost though.

    He's going to have to stay fairly expensive because warcry 3 is OP. If warcry3 is going to exist then the champ needs to have a price tag that makes you think about using him. I'd say 92 is a good price point, then build the champ into that price instead of building the champ and then pricing it.

    Warding is a double edge sword in IS so its a good limiter in both potential and cost, but I'd say its a good start for him.

    Realistically, I'd be looking at +warding, replacing DF with something and maybe an upgrade cleanup on a couple of the others with a cost of 92.
  17. JaceDragon

    JaceDragon I need me some PIE!

    7 spd should stay however
  18. Axeraiser

    Axeraiser I need me some PIE!

    Give him Regal Presence.
  19. Baskitkase

    Baskitkase Forum Royalty

    ~Boost Dwarf is not a good idea imo.
  20. BansheeX

    BansheeX I need me some PIE!

    Fixed it for you :p

    On a more serious note: Not all factions need to have access to the same things.
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