Markoth's Desk (August 18th patch list and next patch discussion)

What the odds of getting the Rockforger down to around 70 nora? My dream is to build a slow-poke 5-spd only deck with Speed Trap. I've tried it before but damn is it draw-reliant and an 80 nora partial-support champion is a rough tempo hit.

 

That deck seems like a great idea, but it just never pans out.

 

You have Interrogator, who comes out at 77 nora for shatter, declare target( 3 ap back on first attack for all units on target champ for 3 ap from interrogator and works with pummel), and the renegade has pilfer as an option as well.

Tundra barbarian was suppose to have gotten shatter as stated in a patch but has yet to actually get it as well.

 

Does Vitalize take effect after Speed Trap? Or does trap overrule it?

 

Which patch? I'll add it to the list.

 

First IS one. Where the barbs got a huge batch of changes.

Is there any potential for more changes or are barbs "good to go" now in terms of expected changes?

 

sxd

Speed trap only reduces Base Speed. so KF FF bonus and any speed buffs still take effect

 

I just think that SS will now be problematic. Let me explain:

Aim on base, gives precision, 1 range and 3 dmg I think:

10 base, +9 PS3, +3 Aim, +2 Sarge +1 banner (I could keep going but this is simple and standard). So 25 dmg from 6 range which is easily boosted to more through BM, TacMan, Regal, etc. This allows for single target 35 nora kills on anything without ranged or physical resistances.

Strip armor, 9 AP, range 6: 57 dmg (at zero target defense).

I'll articulate this more by playing the unit.

 

You do know that speed trap effects enemy only, ya? Very few, probabaly none at all, vitalize champs being ran so I'm not sure how that would even be pertinent, but the way it used to be is that any speed increase was after, so KF would be 6 etc. I have not ran it since things like mutate and improve speed but I'd bet they follow the same rule. Base speed set to 5.

The main problem with the spell is that it does not reduce speed of new deploys. So things that are summoned/deployed after the spell is cast but during its duration are normal speed.

That and it effectively only lasts 2 rounds.

 

Mark doesnt really do this kind of thing when he is proposing buffs to things.

 

Effectively, this would be like creating a spell that, for 35 nora does the following: Target enemy champion within 6 spaces of a Dwarven Sharpshooter is destroyed, the Sharpshooter loses all AP. 35 nora.

This is a tad overdramatic, but it illustrates my point.

 

Pretty much, yes.
Again, Im not holding this against Mark or anything, but hes new to this whole council thing, and did stay away from the game for like what, 2 years? Idk.
Seems out of touch with reality to be proposing buffs to things when in fact what we need to do is tone stuff down first.

 

To differentiate the tinkers I would like to see something like this:

Tinkerer
Base: recharge, summon crab, build em tough, boost 3
Upgrade 1: spell charged 1/2/3
Upgrade 2: Grant electric aura, mason 3

Engineer
Base: atk: physical, build em tough, summon groble, helpless
Upgrade 1: boost 1/2/3
Upgrade 2: shatter, mason 3, rev em up

Handler (including him here cuz he needs work too)
Base: atk physical, drive, +1 spd
Upgrade 1: boost 1/2/3
Upgrade 2: rev em up, regal presence, train death nova physical

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I think the silverclan guy is in a good spot if a bit efficient.

 

I should say the same, since my posts are often curt. I think Markoth is great, and he's the best person for the job. As we both know, council work is hard, and I imagine with Gedden its even that much more difficult.

 

Counterpoint: PS3 Sharpshooter is 86 nora and fairly squishy. And you opponent is dumb if he stays within 6 range of one. Lots of factions can put out that much damage for a similar nora investment.

 

My SS will be stealthed, dumb has no part in the discussion if I can eliminate your detection or you don't happen to have any.

 

Hit me with whatever you feel needs to be done and it can be discussed here. I get back in town tomorrow so I can do much more testing. I want to make sure any outstanding bugs get taken care of first as well as make sure that paladins don't go out of control after this last patch.

 

Updated List:

Bugs:
Complex machine (Fixed)
Boost overlap -http://forums.poxnora.com/index.php?threads/boost-overlap.5722/


Stuff that got "patched" but didn't make it to live:
Charger Knight did not receive Race: Barbarian
Isran (Inquisitor LE) is not a Barbarian
Mounted Hawkmaster did not receive Race : Beast from two patches ago.
Tundra Barbarian did not receive disarm from 3 patches ago (Tarth)
Paladin Commander did not receive revamp
(Speculation) Northern Cross Priestess does not seem to have received the efficiency buff.
(Unconfirmed) Tales of Valor didn't get updated. (Still needs a visible effect text.)

Buffs:

Nerfs:

Lateral Changes:

 

Tales of valor , done
Paladin Commander, done
NC Priestess done

Mounted Hawkmaster was beast before patch(i think elite skirmisher was in question)
Charger knight still not barb
Isran, IS inquisitor not barb

 

Edit courage is not changed. still 8 hp

 

Are you certain about NCP? She still seems the same cost to me.