Over efficient champ?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by limone1981, Feb 16, 2017.

  1. limone1981

    limone1981 I need me some PIE!

    Recently I've encountered some rune that are not OP but way to over efficient.
    For now just the first 2 that I meet the most:

    -Jakei Pilgrim cheap build at 62 nora with an undercosted gift ability:the ability is 6 nora (according to qpoxdb) for Regen 2( 5 nora) and Purified (another 5 nora).

    -Rip Demon seriously in a FF UD you can run him at 60 nora with 17 dmg and counter attack melee :eek: and dmg shield 3!

    any other over efficient rune for you? and what are your thoughts about the 2 mentioned above?
     
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  2. edmek55555

    edmek55555 Devotee of the Blood Owl

    Rip demon isn't that bad. UD in general struggles with survivability. Rip demon is no different. Just nail him from range and his strength is entirely porpotional to the enemy board so by the time he is useful he should be a non issue.

    Jakei anything is usually pretty overly efficient though
     
  3. themacca

    themacca Master of Challenges

    How are they too over efficient if they are not overpowered.


    Seriously though over efficiency is everywhere in pox its not something that i think needs discussion or to be adressed.
     
  4. edmek55555

    edmek55555 Devotee of the Blood Owl

    Some runes could definitely do with some balancing. Though the community is rather split on it, I believe people are just in denial when they say there is absolutely no rune that needs reworked. I know that isn't what youre saying but I definitely think it is something that shouldn't go undressed. The fact that IS has super Viking Jesus running around is a bit much
     
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  5. Hierokliff

    Hierokliff I need me some PIE!

    Shouldnt focus on balancing single rune at all, should focus on abilities/classing things to make life somewhat easier for both players and to manage balance runes.
    i play IS, so guess earth elemental, ghoulhunter, conscripted warrior, elemental warstaff are over efficient champs
     
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  6. Tweek516

    Tweek516 I need me some PIE!

    I personally class over efficient and OP things differently.
     
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  7. GoldTiger

    GoldTiger I need me some PIE!

    Inkblight witch is the best rune in the game
     
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  8. Markoth

    Markoth Lord Inquisitor

    I dont mind Rip Demon too much. Pilgrim has Dissipate on a "melee" champ which is why he is so cheap. He could likely use a small tap but nothing big.
     
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  9. calisk

    calisk I need me some PIE!

    pilgrim? honestly I never used him seems meh

    what's over effecient about it?
     
  10. Etherielin

    Etherielin The Floof Cultist

    Regen 3 + Purified is pretty strong, but otherwise I think it's an okay rune.
     
  11. Hierokliff

    Hierokliff I need me some PIE!

    pilgrim shouldnt have range 1-3 and 6 abilities
    but compaired to Sonic Elemental he is ok or SE's sonicburst is crazy, range 1-3, distract, knockback, non-physical damage through ignore defense.
     
  12. Tweek516

    Tweek516 I need me some PIE!

    Pilgrim looks fine to me. Is only good because of all the illusions running around.
     
  13. limone1981

    limone1981 I need me some PIE!

    the gift ability is pretty strong and undercosted (if qpoxdb is correct about it), nothing more .
     
  14. bambino

    bambino I need me some PIE!

    id agree with thoughts on rip demon,,
    dont wanna say op,, for fear of torches and pitchforks, :)
    but its safe to say for 60 nora,,, your getting more then your noras worth.
     
  15. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    Gift: X abilities are costed so that they do give a discount vs if the champion simply had those abilities.

    For example, Gift: Magical Training is 10 nora for a 10 nora ability (Magic Blast) and a 4 nora ability (Reckless Blast 2).

    Gift: Smuggle is 8 nora for Stealth (8 nora) and Shadow Shift (4 nora).

    Regen did get a cost increase since that particular Gift was made as well.
     
  16. NevrGonaGivUup

    NevrGonaGivUup I need me some PIE!

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  17. Tweek516

    Tweek516 I need me some PIE!

    Gifting stealth ??

    Goddamn gotta be a way to break that.
     
  18. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    It didn't end up being used, but it's still a valid example of the costing paradigm.
     
  19. limone1981

    limone1981 I need me some PIE!

    I understand that (that gift smuggle...where is it??I want one in SP)

    what about the rip demon? Do you think the only issue is Ally UD?
     
  20. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    Possibly. In-faction Ally will go away so we'll see what happens there.

    But I honestly haven't seen Rip Demons pwning faces.
     

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