Over efficient champ?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by limone1981, Feb 16, 2017.

  1. edmek55555

    edmek55555 Devotee of the Blood Owl

    If you plan ahead you can completely void the bile zombie with some deafening aura champs, but I understand having to have a certain champ is unreasonable. That being said, why should it be possible to make bile zombie entirely ineffective? I don't really understand the double standard with this card. Most of the game is about limiting the opponents effectiveness and mitigating as much damage as possible. Any other champ you have the same goal, limit their effectiveness. I am not sure I understand why bile zombie should be the one champ that you always should be able to completely void the effect of.
     
  2. kalasle

    kalasle Forum Royalty

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  3. edmek55555

    edmek55555 Devotee of the Blood Owl

    I am aware of what you said, but if that is the consensus on the issue, I don't see the huge problem. It seems everyone is complaining they can't completely shutdown bz. I never see this brought up about any other champ. If people really want to shut down bz there are hard counters out there, but I don't see how bz is any different than any other champ in the fact all you can do is mitigate his damage the best you can. On top of all this, people are complaining about bz only in the worms bg, which makes no sense. A rune is not op because it functions well with something else. That idea is crazy. I agree necrosis is too op currently but bz isnt the issue there
     
  4. kalasle

    kalasle Forum Royalty

    To attempt their position, the problem is that you can't stop BZ from being really freakin good at minimum.
     
  5. edmek55555

    edmek55555 Devotee of the Blood Owl

    You can for sure, especially outside of worms. If this rune is this devastating, deckbuild for it. You should always deckbuild to cover your weakness. I don't know why people need everything nerfed instead of giving a solid effort to overcome their weakness
     
  6. kalasle

    kalasle Forum Royalty

    I mean, yup, I would generally agree with those sentiments. Deck-building counterpoint, if you're talking about direct counters, is that not every faction has access to Blockade.
     
  7. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    As a rune, even outside of Worms, BZ is not "possibly below average."
     
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  8. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    No one has said this. They have just said they feel it's too efficient.
     
  9. davre

    davre The Benevolent Technofascist

    Just blaspheme it imo

    (ps I am building a blaspheme deck right now)
     
  10. DiCEM0nEY

    DiCEM0nEY I need me some PIE!

    Depends on the map. On certain maps, bile zombie is really strong, even in a non theme deck. Map with the 5 from sdz space font in middle, and the font on the south west and north west is strong.
     
  11. edmek55555

    edmek55555 Devotee of the Blood Owl

    Admitted damage can be mitigated, but thats not enough because it still does damage
     
  12. Xirone

    Xirone I need me some PIE!

    What if Bile zombie were changed to become a small champ instead of a large one? It would affect 12 spaces instead of 20 spaces.
     
  13. Ballballer

    Ballballer Chief Antagonist

    you might actually be ********
     
  14. edmek55555

    edmek55555 Devotee of the Blood Owl

    Being 2x2 is really what makes bz a viable rune. If any changes were to be made, which really isn't necessay, give it easy target
     
  15. Ballballer

    Ballballer Chief Antagonist

    yeah buffing it seems like the appropriate response
     
  16. edmek55555

    edmek55555 Devotee of the Blood Owl

    Easy target would allow people to take it out more easily before it can be put into a favorable position. Once again this is outside of worms because it is pretty well agreed upon that bz is harder to stop in worms
     
  17. davre

    davre The Benevolent Technofascist

    Easy target is a "negative ability" which means that it makes the champ less effective on the board but also reduces its cost substantially:
    http://s-qpoxdb.rhcloud.com/ability/2002

    Bile zombie is a unique champ in that your opponent rarely gets to face it as a regular champion, the standard play is to sacrifice it the turn it is deployed. What you are suggesting is a 10n discount that will not impact how the champ plays 9 times out of 10.
     
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  18. kalasle

    kalasle Forum Royalty

    ... Easy Target ...?

    26 nora BZ?

    I should have saved the hatted doge for this occasion.
     
  19. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    Come on now, I think it's pretty obvious he wasn't advocating for reducing cost.

    But as mentioned, Easy Target really doesn't do anything to change the Bile Zombie in scenarios where it is strong, since you self-destruct it anyway before it even gets attacked. It's not a deploy and walk around with it champion.
     
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  20. kalasle

    kalasle Forum Royalty

    Even assuming that Easy Target came with a corresponding manual mod of +10, that ability would do nothing to address the situation in which BZ is exceptional (worms, near-deployment drops) and would make it worse in the rarest of instances in which it is already a bad play (staying on the field for more than one turn).
     

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