Personally I think Surge 2 should be removed from the game. In the newer lower damage lower speed game, it is just too powerful.
The purpose of the post was concise lists as a sounding board for the council leader. It wasn't about nuance because people tend to get bogged down in details and never get around to deciding anything productive. The fact that people ignored the lists and instead decided to get as bogged down as possible proves that. All we have learned so far is that people don't want a nerf list. I like the direction with Korsien. Another alternative to Heavy Charger would be Groundstriker as he is a mounted cavalry. It only costs 1 extra nora and would let him specialise in dealing heavy damage to ground targets. I think the CoS already has a cost adjustment. I was added a few patches ago (to increase his cost)
Groundstriker? 1n? HELL Yeah. Korsien was always one of my favorite champs particularly flavorwise. He's the one badass dude that just was so bad ass that he was THE only dude left standing and alive by the end of the war with the kingdom of what are now the lizard people. It's still debated whether or not he is truly dead or still alive underneath his armor. He possibly was given the boon of the undead, while keeping conscious capability, like Xulos, which I have a theory that the majority of undead have, and that merely the ones who do not submit willingly become the true undead slaves with no control over themselves. ....So yeah... uhhhh.... Buff Horsey-man
I know you're probably referring to my recent proclamation about selling my account. Probably won't happen since no one wants to buy an account that is easily with $800+ in runes. I get offers for $150 and just laugh. I am just honestly frustrated and pissed off at the entire community's (not all FW players but some included who keep bending over, asking to be ****ed by these ridiculous nerf requests for FW) requests to continually nerf FW, and FOR NO REASON! Our faction barely sees play. The only thing I see people complaining about is Firking haunting grip, and why? Is it really THAT problematic of a rune? A little story: yesterday I played a game against an ST player. I lost because my champs costed more than they were worth compared to the other player's and couldn't hang with them. After the game was over, I was playing Spirits btw, a player commented and said, "you have a slow building bg Bro, that's why you lost." I thought for a minute... "slow building bg? He can't be Firking serious..." but it was then that I realized the truth about ALL current FF FW bgs: they are ALL weak and slow building, and ONLY good late game, and I mean late late game. Half of the time, especially if I go second, the opponent is in my font before I can even claim it. THAT is a royal joke. IS gets free ap from font bonus (which is pointless. It makes 0 sense), ST gets ap from font, and KF just gets 1 more speed just because. Most games I've seem are won within the first 10 turns, and that's because of a huge neglect for do-it-all champs. I strongly believe that FW is THE ONLY balanced faction right now. In conclusion, Firk the OP for actually bringing the word "nerf" into our FW forums. If anything, we deserve a buff. Race: Worm and for a midterm we get a Firking tortun? Firk this Bane Shift.
Lol dude, the lower damage is only in FW and FS, and honestly without surge 2 on skellies, they would be shoebox which the pretty much are anyways. I hate surge 2 and don't agree with it, but until the other factions are brought down to our level, it's the lazy way for the devs to keep something of ours somewhat competitive until they address the real issue with this game.
FW has always been slow building. We are truly at our intended strongest once you've got your enemy with little champs left and most of his other champs on cooldown. That is when we shine. But that takes time. Essentially you gotta give em the rope-a-dope for about 20 turns and then start winning. I know it's hard to take in, but it's been that way for quite some time. Balance is knowing when you can't get away with doing that anymore, and it's already cut quite close. But certain factions like IS, KF, and ST will have the upperhand and this has generally been a case for a long time. Even way back when, I ran meta KF for quite some time, at least a few months, and most games against FW were either extremely fast and victorious, or embarassingly slow and torturous. I like to be slow and torturous, and FW was legitimately the first faction I ever gave two shits about, so I went back to my roots, and that wasn't the first time. I then went from KF to FW, back out of FW and into ST for a good while, then back into FW. At some point I simply married this faction and never looked back or I will turn into salt. And I noticed that it was progressively more difficult to gain back my original full FW collection everytime I came back from faction hopping adventures. I used to have two of every rune except for the harbies. I miss my lich servitors
Unequippable added to Ghost would't really even be a nerf for the FW ghosts. Besides Blackstaff, what would you even want to equip them with in the first place?
Just a heads up people there will be a delay in feedback related patches because some good stuff is being worked on as hinted in the Q&A. We'll have a few weeks to come together with some more feedback. Generally speaking the current list is to have 5 things mentioned in the feedback. Unfortunately that large list we worked on early on was too large so at this time we need to prioritize hi impact. As for nerfs I would like to position these more toward decreasing direct power and increasing flexibility/synergy. For instance with the mobilization I would have loved it if it went to 45 nora 3 ap as it technically decreases its direct power but makes it more flexible. In the end please note that these will be suggestions and it may be beneficial to give additional reasoning for the change so that when these are suggested the symptom, not necessarily the suggested rune, can be addressed.
Here's a buff list: New skeleton racial: if 5 skeleton champs are in play, then all skeletons get split. Lich racial: if 5 or more liches are in play, then all Liches get lightning blast. Too much? Good.
General Korsein I think should become human and lose undead. I mean, he's the last SURVIVOR right? Then should get access to disease eater and Black Death as that's more flavorful then heavy charger in my opinion.
Hmm. Could you explain why that's more flavourful? Or at least more useful. I don't think the minimal healing disease eater would provide can in any way impact being an easy target. Black Death is nice but it is a lot harder to pull off than heavy charger or ground striker. Again, with easy target he won't last long. It would be better if his damage bonus was consistent and self reliant as is the case with heavy/striker rather than volatile as with Black Death.
I'm going to refrain from participating in this thread as I don't believe my comments will be well received. I feel strongly that each faction could use a mix of buffs/nerfs, but it's very apparent to me that suggesting anything that might pass as a nerf right now will result in disproportionately unreasonable amounts of anger being directed my way. I'm rather disappointed by this. Instead, I'll wait until I'm done testing Wurmz and focus all of my suggested changes on that via a separate thread.
Haven't you learned to throw away logic in Pox? There are people complaining about not being able to hit a ghost with a physical attack, and you are complaining about logic?
