Patch Preview: Pounce/Swoop/Massive Leap consolidation

I'm glad we agree on this

 

Yeah, to me thats not enough reason to completely scratch the ability and be done with it.
I actually liked the fact that it ignored all those things, because its not a targeted ability, so its pretty obvious that it should bypass things like Impenetrable.
But hey, this is just the perspective of a guy who played this game exaustively for 8 years and doesnt play anymore, its not like my opinion matter or anything.
Or does it?

 

I'm glad we also agree on this

 

So you're fine with an ability, which can bypass everything and has no counter apart from 2 abilities (resistance and immunity physical) whatsoever? Sorry, that doesn't sound good to me.

Also pounce in its current iteration is prone to bugging out left, right and middle as shown with pouncing on shadowspawned relics. (you don't move, but still nuke everything)

 

1) "You're fine with an ability which can bypass everything": WRONG. What you said, and I quote, is that "It ignores DEF, impenetrable (as it no longer acts as an attack), deflect, divert (same case) and can even hit through charm. " So yeah, it actually, as you described, only bypasses 4 abilities: Impenetrable (WAI), DEF (WAI), Deflect and Divert (WAI, it wasnt a single targeted basic attack). Hitting through Charm is bugged, though, I have to agree with that.
2) "Has no counter apart from 2 abilities": that is not correct. Distract is a counter, Pacified is a counter, any mechanic that reduces AP/CD on the ability is a counter. So yeah.
3) "Is prone to bugging out left, right and middle as shown with pouncing on shadowspawned relics": well, hitting relics isnt WAI, so isnt it just a matter of fixing that? There are probably people qualified enough to fix that.

 

@Pedeguerra It ignores NKD, Blind, OWN and a good range of other abilities, because it no longer acts as an attack.

@Distract: ineffective vs spot pounce or a champ with shadowspawn. It's more of a pre-emptive/reactive ability than a preventive one.
@Pacified: There are very few sources of long-range pacified in the game - right now all I can think of is reclaim and truce in KF. Other sources of it will usually be cast after the damage is done. Also won't work vs shadowspawn.
@AP/CD reduction abilities: Ripples and Creativity are heavily limited. Fury of a Thousand Strikes is available to monks only IIRC.
@Hitting relics: you missed the point - it currently deals damage even if you fail to relocate.

This isn't about spoonfeeding people, who don't read. It's about dealing with an ability that is simply too strong. Tell me how fine spot pounce is when a Sheoul Demon, a Pit Dragon or a Thunderhoof pounce on you from a range there's absolutely no way to prevent them from murdering your champion.
An example outside of UD - tell me how you wanna deal with a shadowspawned forest lerper from KF, who gains timeslip (which is cheap and the lerper deals huge damage even without pounce) and proceeds to delete a champion of his choice from the game. Another one? Myx Slasher pouncing on whatever he wants and massacring it because damage dealt by pounce is calculated after any bonuses, so he gets all the extra damage from spur and can murder the target if it survives. Another one? Arctic Tiger with 18 damage and 7 SPD pouncing and being overly efficient for its price because of it.

All the examples above are cases, where a pouncing champion is carrying the game by itself as it just obliterates a target of its controller's choice. It's absolutely not okay as Pox moved away from the idea of singular superchamps. Pounce is a relic of old times.

 

Actually I have to agree with @Pedeguerra here. Pounce was not the problem. All your examples are of champs that murder Bane Shift no matter what, Thunderhoof will easly get 8 spd and still have charge 3 to hit from far away. Three of those are from UD, a faction w/o spot cleanse, so any CC and they are pretty much vulnerable. What makes forest lerper strong is the blitz + 8 spd + shadowspawn. Once your opponent have one out, you just position accordingly to avoid the pounce to hit two champs.

My point is there's no need to remove pounce since its a perfectly fine ability. It ignoring NKD, Blind, OWN, etc is no different then a AoE Bomb ignoring those. Seeing the ability as problematic due to the champs that carry it is also not justifiable. If you constantly had more then one of your champs hit by pounce at once then it was your fault. But whatever, its not like it's going away, just being changed. So prepare your tears for those same champs when they "pounce" from x range away.

 

It isn't a melee attack. That's the whole point.

 

Ok man, not convinced but whatever. Rare league rabble running the shots now, What can one do?
Can you at least rename this new ability, then?
Cause having cat people doing "sismic " abilities doesnt sound flavorful at all.

 

Do you?

 

Pounce is going to be divested into either seismic leap or swoop, so the cat probably won't be seismic.

 

Leap Slam is definetely less restricting.

 

1) Well thats good to know;
2) I actually think a unit with Commander on the name should have the Commander ability.