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OP, Nerf

 

These runes seem really cool, kinda like mini champions that have one soul purpose and all of these are font Contest relics.

 

did i make this, i dont remember making this haha

 

yay me

 

KF continues to gain tools and utility. How much longer will we allow KF to position itself to take over as the strongest faction? ( I can predict it will go far ahead of the curve at this rate.)

Should 1 faction really have the ability to do everything?

Why does UD keep getting hammered with the flavor argument but KF seems to allow anything?

 

In a number of games the moon is associated with illusion-magic. It might be too good, but what about....

Moon Pearl- This unit has Starshine and Deception.
or
Moon Pearl- This unit has Starshine and Illusion: Boghopper*.
*Illusion: Boghopper is essentially Illusion: Mage or Illusion: Archer.

 

Exactly. the faction already has everything.
And both the relics are ridiculous.

 

and people thought player runes wouldnt be op lol.

 

Don't start getting jaded. You are starting to lean in to weak mentalities of some-sort of hatred of the masses I am seeing around the "Intellectuals" of the community; Too much knowledge, not enough wisdom.

Anyway.

1. I don't believe KF should have access to reinforce. Frankly they can already heal very heavily if they want to. ( As well as a variety of survivability spells.)

2. Arcane oddity. Name fits, because it's an absolute oddity what the actual heck this relic is trying to do.
Shatter? Enchant magic? Teleport: Equipped?
Why don't you just give it the ability to walk and attack as well?
It does way too much. And frankly do we really wanna keep giving KF relic teleports? Already one of the most mobile factions in the game?

 

If it's restricted I can respect it as a rune. I agree that when adding new tools its gonna create a "either/or" scenario when building the BG. That being said factions with high mobility long range champions being able to refund does not sit well with me. But it's not going to be the strongest thing in the world, so it's fine.

Yes, it is clearly a relic that interacts with an Equipment BG. But it's 1 relic. Just like you argued earlier that new options create "Either/or" scenario, this absolutely kills that. You are giving them in the ability to have shatter/teleport/enchant in 1 single slot. A big part of Pox has always been having to give something up in BG building to focus on your strengths rather then have the ability to counter-everything.
Furthermore, if I'm not wrong is Teleport Equipment not a Spot teleport? Yes it has a restriction, but a very minor one for KF. You can't sit here and tell a SPOT TELEPORT relic. is too cheap at 35 nora. What the hell happened to ferren hide-out.

I didn't say KF shouldn't have mobility options or tools, I said they should have LESS access to them, as they already have way to much. KF has always been a little too easy. You have the ability to deal with any situation that comes at you, you have long ranged units, you can heal, you can AOE Pacify ( a spell that literally can not be countered.), you have high mobility, survivability spells, AOE 4 confuse and distract..?.... the list goes on and on.


Its not that I hate KF so much and want them to get nothing, I just don't believe how powerful KF is, is being truly acknowledged when designing. I've always felt for whatever reason the players who choose KF were not blessed with anyone wise enough to have an unbiased educated opinion about their own faction. And as someone who will honestly give opinions and crush my own faction if I'm asked about the power of something overpowered in my faction, I find it personally offensive watching them argue.

 

I will comment on KF runes and chime in on their design.

I think Reinforce would be too good if it's non-fairy. Suggested changes:

Fairy Circle #1 (KF Relic - Nora 35, HP: 20) @Xirone

This unit has Return to the Conclave (When this unit is deployed the closest champion with Race: Fairy you own is returned to the rune dock with a cooldown of 8 and you gain 50% of its nora cost) and Psychic Ping 2.
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Fairy Circle #2 (KF Relic - Nora 35, HP: 20) @Xirone

This unit has Guarded: Fairy (The first time each turn this unit is successfully attacked by a basic attack, friendly Fairies within 5 spaces gain 2 AP and +4 DMG for 2 turns.t) and Psychic Ping 2.​

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I believe that Shatter is too much for the rest of abilities it has as well as the ability to contest and relocate equipped champs. Suggested changes:

Arcane Oddity #1 (KF Relic - Nora: 35, HP: 20) @Xirone

This unit has Catalyst: Magic Enchant: Magic, and Teleport: Equipped.

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Arcane Oddity #2 (KF Relic - Nora: 35, HP: 20) @Xirone

This unit has Enchant: Magic, Magical Aura 3, and Teleport: Equipped.​

Arcane Oddity #3 (KF Relic - Nora: 35, HP: 20) @Xirone

This unit has Damage Shield: Magical 3, Enchant: Magic and Teleport: Equipped.
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Arcane Oddity #4 (KF Relic - Nora: 35, HP: 20) @Xirone

This unit has Enchant: Magic, Immunity Magic/Magic Eater/Magic Acolyte, and Teleport: Equipped.
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Arcane Oddity #5 (KF Relic - Nora: 35, HP: 20) @Xirone

This unit has Council: Spells/Favour, Enchant: Magic, and Teleport: Equipped.​

Please note that I don't know if Enchant: Magic is self-targetable, which is why versions #2 and #3 have their respective abilites. Also do note that if you see X/Y/Z it means that it would have either of these two abilities and not both, I was just uncertain if it's fine for the relic to have both of those at 35 nora cost. Also do note none of my suggestions is seen as balanced in my eyes, I'm merely throwing ideas around.

 

pretty sure teleport: equipped =relocate next to equipped champ. so i think theres a misunderstanding here

 

My thoughts:

Fairy circle:
The main issue for me is that reinforce is much easier to target when it comes from a relic. Champ-based reinforce will always be limited to deployment zones, so the champs you want to target with it have to leave the front lines to be affected. A relic with reinforce can be dropped adjacent to the champ you want to refund, making it very easy to use. This ability to drop it wherever you want it makes psychic ping easy to position as well. Consider increasing the cost of the relic or switching ping for something like fascinate or psychic magnetism (because fairy circles are about misleading people), so it has less impact after reinforcing.

Arcane oddity: Hilarious and I love it. Its like giving your champions a pet to play with.

Moon pearl and Kaleidoscopic mirror: makes me want to run seism even more. If this becomes popular I'll put 3 seisms in every bg.

Tesladin coils doesn't do a whole lot right now. As a cheap contesting relic it serves it's purpose, but not in an interesting way. Energy thief would be cool instead of static greeting, which is a weak ability in general (although it does act as a pseudo-detect).

Silverclan impactor: I don't like how this one can relocate freely (contesting fonts) and do damage with slam. The arcane oddity gets away with being able to relocate because it can only target equipped champs. Consider adding some kind of font ignorance, or a different relocation ability, like phantom dash.

Icewatch would be a good include if you really needed detection in your bg, but otherwise it's overshadowed by the other cheap relics in ST, like grumble rock, sapphire catalyst, halberd of j'thir, orb of frostfall, endless iceburg, aaaaand coordination tower. There's a lot of competition for relic slots.

Mondo satori: Interesting, but I can't think of many champs that I want to equip it on in monks. Chilling scale and leaf on the wind like it, but silent master already has scrapper and swift current has 1-3 range. How about giving it one of the discipline abilities (forbidden discipline would be most useful) instead of fury?