https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/...the-left-who-wants-to-be-liberal-anymore.html From an editor of n+1. Like burn said, most of the people here are centrists. The rest lean right or hard right. That noone has before complained about the broad use of "liberal" on these forums demonstrates how totally absent actual leftists are. If you want some writing that will really curl your teeth, check out either n+1 or The New Inquiry. TNI has a more anarchist bent. https://thenewinquiry.com/this-is-not-a-simulation/ https://thenewinquiry.com/the-american-model/ https://nplusonemag.com/issue-28/reviews/the-bleak-left/ https://nplusonemag.com/issue-28/reviews/monstrous-duplicated-potent/ Links and references are not necessarily endorsements, especially of whole publications.
Well, I think I am quite leftist, I voted for the communist party a couple times when it still was a thing, even if I like more to think me of an anarco-socialist Kropotkin-style. That's very different from what its a liberal in the US, but its not like i can argue about everything everytime. Sometimes you let some things pass just for the sake of discussion. If we are discussing about immigration laws, and i start contesting the fact you call me a liberal, its a distraction not needed.
I find the claim of absolute free speech being a necessity a bit odd. Speech that insights panic has always been restricted. The ol' "don't shout fire in a crowded theater" bit. To me hate speech is much the same as it generates panic among those attacked. There is a large clear difference between a hate march, a protest of policy, or an empowerment march.
I believe that protesting to keep a statue should be allowed, even when the statue is considered to be a symbol of hate by others. Same with wearing clothing that is a symbol of hate to a lot of people. Protesting that people should be killed should not be protected. I put the latter in the same consideration as shouting fire in a crowded theater. If your words are to incite panic and violence, it should not be allowed. Anything else, no matter how distasteful I or anyone else find the subject, should be allowed. Others should be allowed to protest against that as well.
what about the words 'pigs in a blanket, fry em like bacon'. or 'what do we want? dead cops. when do we want them? now'. this is clearly hate speech intended to incite violence (and it did). leftists lawmakers have even eluded to the assassination of the president. and yet these groups/people are not held to account by left leaning legislatures or media. whatever rules you want to enforce on the alt right you HAVE to enforce equally on the radical left. otherwise people are going to say f*ck your rules and the guns will come out.
that's not how you make pigs in a blanket. sure, but how come in these conversations you guys often lump a lot of people into the radical left box and are arguing that the people marching alongside nazis are actually okay blokes?
Just to clarify what others have been touching on, it's worth pointing out that many on the US right like to believe that this issue (and many others) are absolute principles - which they are not, they are and always have been a matter of finding the right amount on a scale. Some people, and some countries, put the legally allowed freedom of speech at a slightly higher or lower level but it's a pretty small difference throughout the western world. Whether holding a naz1 flag on a march or not is allowed or not may vary from country, but the principle is the same everywhere.
