It would have been nice if they had realized that the voters elected Trump. They didn't elect a republican. Now a few of them are going to have to lose their seats in a primary for the rest to get the message. silly delay but apparently it has to happen. democrats dropped the ball as well. if they had helped pass this healthcare bill the republicans still would have owned it. now when healthcare implodes the dems will own it alone. why does everyone have to learn things the hard way? why?
lol you guys have a 2 party system. also what? also Death to America? ( as in your healthcare is bad and the personification of death is bound to america if such a thing existed)
I mean, Paul Ryan was Romney's running mate in 2012, so it makes sense he'd put forward a bill that is in many ways similar to ACA in the first place (since it was similar to "Romneycare" as it got labeled), except arguably worse in certain respects (and arguably better in others). This, however, means that many Republicans that got put in campaigning on getting rid of ACA will not, at least publicly, want to support it. This is one of the reasons why Rand Paul was pushing to have the bills be separate, a repeal, then later a replacement (and of course he's got his own proposals for a replacement).
I'm beginning to wonder what's worse; democrats who push socialist @#$% at us or republicans who can't get their @#$% together.
Remember also that Ryan was essentially stating that he (and most of the RNC establishment) wouldn't support Trump during the campaign. I don't think he got quite as far in rebuking him as McCain did (someone with better memory and/or search engines can speak to that), but I think it's a safe assumption that Ryan isn't particularly interested in supporting the President in a general capacity... at least not without getting something in return.
My sources (dradio, swr2) say that it was a "beginner's mistake" that Trump didn't make sure that he had the majority of votes before he let the vote happen. My personal opinion is that it's either his fault because he made aforementioned mistake and he it's a sign that he lacks experience and/or knowledge -- or that he actually planned it because he wanted the bill to fail but also wanted to make it look like he actually tried. I believe the former is more realistic, but I wouldn't completely rule out the latter either.
well he did say that the smart play was to let obamacare fail, 'but we cant do that, people are suffering'. and technically there wasn't a vote. and now trump knows who he can work with and who he cant. now the pressure will be on republicans to support his next initiative or be branded an obstructionist like the democrats. and the next initiative is his baby, tax reform. im not saying he wanted the healthcare bill to fail, but he really didn't have anything to lose. it obviously wasn't a make or break legislative push or he wouldn't have 'demanded' a vote, but would rather have let the negotiations continue. he obviously already offered all he was going to at that time. in the art of the deal you have to be willing to walk away if youre not happy with the offer.
That's not exactly what I meant. There appear to be two possible interpretations: a.) Trump is a dirty nub and doesn't know how to politics. This is what most experts have concluded. b.) Trump actually knows what he is doing. Then he must secretly have wanted to keep Obamacare. The problem is, as far as I can tell from my uneducated scrub perspective (you guys all know and care so much more about international politics than I do) is this: The Uninted States have pretty much the worst healthcare system in the modern world. If you had surgery in a top notch clinic in Germany (say Heidelberg or Tübingen or whatever), this would cost you EUR 5000. The same surgery costs $ 75000 in the US (source: radio interview in dradio). This is because of decades of unrestricted lobbyism in the US. Hence, no matter Obamacare or not: It is impossible to repair the US healthcare system without some really major incisions. This is why I wouldn't rule out possibility b.): No other solution would be significantly better than Obamacare at the moment -- and Trump knows that.
a) when it comes to trump the 'experts' have not been impressive. and the media are just a bunch of **** starters (fox included) who whip up the drama for ratings b) it wasn't a staged fail. it had a chance to pass, and he would have been fine with that as long as he didn't have to give away too much for it.
Think of it as a move in chess. One can determine the quality of a move with very high confidence. This is such a scenario where it is simple to determine that this has been a beginners mistake. Unless you consider option b.).
I think Ryan's smart enough that he isn't going to let a personal dislike of Mr. Trump get in the way of the chance to make conservative policy changes. It really looks to me like repubs are torn between two bases: an alt-right that wants big government torn down and has a disproportionately large voice, and a working-class change vote that just wants life to be better. This article seems like the best summary of the situation, where that far-right group is holding out for a more expansive bill that can't legally happen, and it's killing Trump's chances of delivering a new plan that's much better than Obamacare. Trigger warning: fake news
Yes, but, particularly given his position within the leadership, he'll skew it towards his personal ideals (and that of his supporters, including insurance companies like Northwestern Mutual which gave him a quarter million USD, and Blue Shield which gave half that amount, and are his two largest donors throughout his career for donations from specific companies, Pfizer gave over 60k for his 15-16 campaign alone) rather than to that of the President's (or, IMO, the people's, the replacement bill IS terrible, and quite frankly the Freedom Caucus is right to question the promises of Ryan regarding stripping out "essentials"... which would have helped but still not very much). The issue, as detailed in the Washington Post article, isn't with a lack of votes to repeal the essentials... but rather procedural rules to try and avoid a Democratic Fillibuster... I'm not knowledgeable enough to say whether or not it is a wording issue as one person suggested in the article... But quite frankly if the Congress intends to get anything truly worthwhile done they'll have to deal with a potential Fillibuster eventually. To me it seems that Ryan is hiding behind that threat to try and leverage things further in his favor.
Would sure have been fun to see the bill passed so Ragic would pay half of his pension in health insurance. Peasants
