ST/FS Knockback?

Discussion in 'Split Faction' started by Godfrog, Dec 2, 2017.

  1. Godfrog

    Godfrog The King of Potatoes

    Just wondering if anyone could help me flesh out some fun degenerate kncokback stuff with a split bg in ST/FS any input appreciated
     
  2. Etherielin

    Etherielin The Floof Cultist

  3. MaruXV

    MaruXV Corgi Vanguard

    Hello! Lets analyze a bit what you want to do:

    1. do you want an (almost) competitive BG? then i would say play FS/ST meta with best units of both, some of those have KB, and with 2x bracelet and 2x galeforce you can pull out some nasty kb plays.
    2. do you want a little bit of theme? Then lets go FS/ST Monks. You get some tools for them, like silent master, north and south wind (one is the KB one that pulls out impressive KB chains). conjure ice blocks to KB in people.
    3. Do you want to put a little more theme into that? you might play FF FS boghopper monk, I think @Capitulator can share his list that won the creative bg contest in the ongoing tournament. Its a monks bg with a lot of kb effects and marsh fable to create KB obstacles that also proc the north wind spell.
    Otherwise my favourite is FS/ST Collective Monks. Monks are quite wide in range of races, and splitting FS opens up the chance to play the collective rune and have a nice boost on your champs. If you add a yeti painter, and the best start collective into yeti painter, all your monks will have +4dmg+5hp, thats not bad at all. Also its one of the few bgs that allows you to run 2x the collective rune, as you can utilize it to KB people so the second one isnt useless
     
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  4. Godfrog

    Godfrog The King of Potatoes

    Well! I’m glad you mentioned monks. I’ve been playing monks mostly so that would be fun, but I’d love some tips on making it a lot more gimmicky featuring Knockback. I also wouldn’t mind straying from monks, but for the most part, just a semi-competitive viable BG that has a large feature on knocking enemies back into terrain, relics, other enemies or AoEs like Hungry Mire, it seems like a fun way to play.
     
  5. Godfrog

    Godfrog The King of Potatoes

    That said I wouldn’t mind trying my hand at all three suggestions.
     
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  6. Alakhami

    Alakhami I need me some PIE!

    could you send me that collective deck? i've been meaning to try something like that for a while now
     
  7. Capitulator

    Capitulator I need me some PIE!

    I don't have the whole list around but Marsh Fable will work in any (split) BG that has class monk on every champion. The illusions proc Northern Wind Discipline just like real champions as well as providing knockback damage.

    Also, if you want to get Marsh Fable banned you could start using it to threaten fonts at range by summoning an illusion next to their font then using it to deploy a relic.
     
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  8. Alakhami

    Alakhami I need me some PIE!

    pretty expensive just for an illusion. doesn't st has some kind of better spell that makes 3 of them?
     
  9. Capitulator

    Capitulator I need me some PIE!

    Mirrohold spell creates 3 illusions near a champion (and pacifies it). The difference is that Marsh Fable lets you choose where to place the illusion.

    For the 25 nora you get your terrain for knockback, and if using Northern Wind Discipline you get 5 damage against each champion for the spell, plus an extra knockback (for an extra 5-10 damage).

    Contesting a font works because once your unit is out of AP you can cast at the edge of your spell presence then deploy a relic. So you can contest from about 6? spaces further away, though it is expensive. Mirrohold doesn't have that option.

    Both are situational. I think it can be worth it with NWD on 1v2 or 2v2 situations as it can often net you two kills. Pretty useless against IS or Weaken Spells though.
     
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  10. MaruXV

    MaruXV Corgi Vanguard

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  11. Godfrog

    Godfrog The King of Potatoes

    I like the structure but is it worth running hungry mire for extra Knockback shenanigans, also gale force because Knockback and op
     
  12. Capitulator

    Capitulator I need me some PIE!

    Oh yeah, I was saying Northern Wind when it should have been Southern Wave.

    Is there enough relocate there to get their champions into position? I see dragging attack on Swift Current.. doesn't ST have Swap which could do the trick?
     
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  13. MaruXV

    MaruXV Corgi Vanguard

    yeah, thats something i forgot.
     
  14. MaruXV

    MaruXV Corgi Vanguard

    actually conclave concordance does same stuff better and potentially at almost same cost, so i dont think they'll fix it soon
     

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