You're right. Free education is such a joke! We as a society couldn't possibly benefit from that. We should bury people in dept first and see who crawls out, those are worthy! The rest, eh, happens. Edit, I never got that. If you are going to pay taxes, why not spend it on the development of your country and give everyone to opportunity to get an education which you so sorely need these days.
Oh man we can nearly test DJ's hypothesis ...So whats the rate of authocrats (A) in n (n being all muslims you have asked) and how big is n? Also burns its debt not dept. Also nice strawman there sezz and other guy
Ssez just won the internet. "Free" education is just one more utopianistic lie told by the Lefties. Nothing is free, BP. A cost vs benefit analysis is the way forward. Forcing everyone to go to government run indoctrination centers for 13-17 years is NOT in the best interest of a society. Education is absolutely AWESOME, but wasting a bunch of time and money on kids that are too unmotivated and/or dumb to benefit makes ZERO sense. The fact that America is slowly slipping to the bottom of the entire industrialized nation pack should give you some pause. Circling back to evaluate how and why education is stagnant at best in MuriKa is crtically important. But the big gvt politicians on both sides of the aisle do NOT care about that. They get filthy rich under the status quo, so they have zero motivation to change a single thing. Except to spend even more money, of course. America spends way more per student than any other country, and we get poor results for our effort. Something needs to give. Education = win. Forced "education" = fail. If you oppose burying people in debt, why do you continue to defend the big gvt politicians? You cannot have it both ways.
DJ give me the numbers! We will have to do a paired t-test using an equally sized random sample but a random sample of the general pop or maybe specifically non muslims. Someone crunch the numbers for the sample size im on a train sitting across from a muslim lady http://www.raosoft.com/samplesize.html
I clarified that statement later, but anyway. The fact that America is slipping to the bottom of the entire industrialized nation pack while having insane costs of education put on the students shoulders should give you some pause. That argument could easily be made for the govt funded education. If America spends more money than any other country per student (show me some data on that btw), than you must be spending it hella inefficient. I would pay 500€ per year at the best University in Belgium (which was in the top 100 of universities in the world, at place 70ish I believe). So yeah it's not Harvard, but it's not community college either. It's a well respected University. I don't see the correlation between burying people in debt and big govt politicians. If anything, I quite enjoy the system most nordic European countries got in place, where you fund education and don't let money buy your politicians. So to me it's not a "this or that story". It's a "I can have the best of both worlds" story. Except if you're from the US, because citizens united remains in place to buy your politicians. Sucks to be you.
While I will agree with that US education system results aren't stellar, you haven't really identified or articulated any real reason why except a general rant against "forced" education. Ironically, the nations to which you are comparing outcomes and cost which perform better than the US does, in fact, also "force" education. Many are also much more socialist in their education systems, with some even offering free or highly subsidized college-level courses. So I am not sure what you think the solution is exactly, but your statements are kind of confusing. On the one hand you "bash" the education lie, but then you compare outcomes with countries whose education stance is more left than the US' is. ~ WARNING: INCOMING WALL OF DATA Source is OECD report on education in 2015: http://www.keepeek.com/Digital-Asse...cation/education-at-a-glance-2015_eag-2015-en Also, the US doesn't actually spend way more per student than any other country (well, except in ABSOLUTE terms, but that's not per student), that honor goes to Luxembourg: But of course, it's never quite that simple: As we can see here, the US's "lead" in spending in education is largely led by teritiary education (which is basically Bachelor's and above, the report itself has a more robust definition if you care) and not the "13-17 years" of "forced education." ~ Since we are harping on "big government" who wants to "spend spend spend," let's also look at change in spending in education between 2005 and 2012: Huh, interesting, the US has one of the slowest growing costs in education. In fact, in terms of non-tertiary education, the cost per student in the US didn't change much between 2008 and 2012... but tertiary, the TRULY optional education? The cost for that has increased. ~ Of course, none of this takes into account cost of living (which is a tough one given how diverse and large the US is in this regard)... But one way to factor it out would be to look at spending as a % of GDP: In this, US ranks 63rd in the world for spending on education as a % of GDP (on the other hand, military spending as a % of GDP...). Source is CIA Factbook: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2206rank.html Back to the OECD report: ~ Anyway, as I said, I agree with you that education outcomes need to be improved in the US, an I would tend to agree that the US doesn't get its money's worth. However, I am less sure of your assumptions and conclusions.
I am honestly surprised I don't hear more from anti-big gov people regarding Citizens United. That is the embodiment of crony capitalism if I ever saw it. I am asking a genuine question here: Why isn't this a concern for more people, particularly for those who are anti-big government?
so we are not going to question a 9000 or so sample size of muslims wither they think a country should be ruled based the extreme fundamental rules that religion dictates? then doing statistical analysis on that and compare it to 9000 random people to see if DJ is right?
I believe Belgians would not care that much. We (nearly) have the world record for not having a government. There was not an active federal government for 500+ days and the country kept on going. No anarchy only a few people letting their beard grow as a sign of protest. Belgium is a great place to live. @BurnPyro I live in Limburg, some familiy lives in Lokeren
As a regional resident, how do you feel about Trump's statement of: "Belgium is no longer Belgium. Belgium is not the Belgium that you and I knew, Matt, from 20 years ago, which was one of the most beautiful cities and one of the safest cities in the world. Belgium is a horror show right now"? Do you agree with him? (Ignoring the fact that Belgium is a country, not a city.)
why does a belgian keep a newspaper in the car? so he can tear it up on the roads. A belgian, a german, and a dutchman are stranded in the desert but they find an enchanted lamp and the genie within grants them all 1 wish. the Dutchman says "I wish I was home." the German says "I wish I was home." the Belgian looks around forlorn and says "I feel so alone, I wish the Dutchman and the German where still here."
Oh no the poor victimized youth. It's all the police fault. Ban guns too because we shouldn't be able to protect ourselves. You should wait for the police to show up first and allow idiots to break into your house, steal your belongings and kill you. The youth are within their rights to rob everyone and play the Knockout Game cuz hey poor victimized minorities in America.
Here is a pic of a real pistol and a toy pistol. Tamir Rice was holding one of them, and the cops thought it was real. He did not survive. There have been many tragic cases like this one. Sometimes it is a white, or a latino, or an asian, or a black. But in each instance the gun looked real.
My brother once brought home a bunch of fake guns from Hong Kong (they shot plastic pellets). Security took him, and his luggage, out into the middle of the tarmac, and checked all of his guns. It's certainly valid that fake guns can look very real (especially now with 3D printing). ~ I am not sure what instances you are specifically referring to when you say "each instance." But there are many cases where cops claim there was a gun but there wasn't (or some other lie).
A couple of tiny industrialized nations spend more than the USA. Got it. I appreciate all the details you provided, and I did study each one of the graphs. +7 to you Sok. My conclusions have been adjusted. We need to do better as a country, but spending at the primary and secondary level is not as out of control as I thought.
If that is true, and I have zero doubt you be fibbing, I would love to have an extended visit in your corner of the globe. I speak English and Spanish. Is that good enough?
Those bad apple cops need to be tried and, hopefully, found guilty. I have no desire to reward evil/corrupt/murdering cops. Hammer of justice on their tails!