UD meta

Discussion in 'Underdepths' started by Scrijordan, Aug 17, 2017.

  1. Scrijordan

    Scrijordan I need me some PIE!

    I am just coming back i was wondering, what is meta now
     
  2. fogandsteel

    fogandsteel I need me some PIE!

    (Don't want to create a separate thread.) What would be a meta fire BG now?
     
  3. Cinder405

    Cinder405 I need me some PIE!

    The Meta right now isnt too wet in stone right now. Not many people play at the moment. How about you post your Bags and I can help point you in the right direction?
     
  4. davre

    davre The Benevolent Technofascist

    There is definitely room for this list to improve

    Unquestionably Auto:
    Pincushion
    Grimlic

    Practically Auto:
    Sheoul Demon
    Bok Raider
    Doombringer
    Nefari Messenger

    Strong Include:
    *Ripdemon
    Chosen of Osarius
    Deep Elf Fanatic
    *Hekatian Arbiter
    Mino Stoker
    Salaam the Fallen Rabbit
    Nefari Fireslinger
    Siege Monger
    *Thunderhoof
    Voth Overlord

    Solid Include:
    Mino Culler
    Fire Elemental
    Hook Fiend
    Imp Alchemist
    Angel
    Voth Ireguard
    Mino Mage
    Gob Spellkaiser
    Bok Enforcer
    Altered Lemure

    * affected by recent changes that could change its status
     
  5. kalasle

    kalasle Forum Royalty

    Could you elaborate on this one?
     
  6. Cinder405

    Cinder405 I need me some PIE!

    Maybe because of her Magic and small Range capabilities?
     
  7. davre

    davre The Benevolent Technofascist

    She just ticks a lot of boxes for UD:

    Initiative + drive means she can have a long-range impact on the battlefield the turn she is deployed, pushing tempo.
    She can be a support unit if the UD player can't maintain the low-resource state.
    She can transition seamlessly into a combat unit unit to maintain pressure.
    Magic damage and 1-3 range provide versatility.
     
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  8. Fentum

    Fentum I need me some PIE!

    Doomie > Messenger

    But ultimately it's all about style. I never take Grimlic, but old Pincushion is auto.

    Also loving 2x Rip Demons at 61 nora
     
  9. davre

    davre The Benevolent Technofascist

    Those champs have two completely different roles. Messenger is a support champ and I'd say that her closest competition is imp alchemist which is superior as a support champ. The issue is that UD's game plan doesn't need support champs. Messenger is useful if the game starts to pull out of UD's gameplan but she maintains her usefulness if/when the UD player gets it back on track.

    Doombringer is just a scaling threat. A very good one.
     
  10. kalasle

    kalasle Forum Royalty

    This makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the answer.
     
  11. Fentum

    Fentum I need me some PIE!

    Yup. It's all about BG balance rather than auto includes.

    I enjoy arrow eaters so bounce is helpful along with flight and alt damage at 1-3. Messenger is nice but not in my BG
     

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