Well it has started

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by chickenpox2, Nov 4, 2020.

  1. chickenpox2

    chickenpox2 I need me some PIE!

    It not about the cures , Joe Rogan is nothing but a Shitty grifter who probably in the pockets of the pharma who makes those so called "remedies". That's why I say he's the same or worse than a pharma company. He not doing it to help people he all for himself and he knows he can reach tens of millions of people.
     
  2. L33Ch

    L33Ch I need me some PIE!

    Well at least u acknowledge the "cures" which is a step in the right direction.

    They are so cheap there's no real proffits from their widespread useage which is part of the reason they have been ignored by MSM.

    As for Joe Rogan he appears to entertain many and is thus no more a grifter than any other social influencer or career politician for that matter.

    Although to be fair far less amusing than good ol Beijing Biden.

    https://rumble.com/vajcqt-biden-toasts-with-china.html
     
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2021
  3. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    Ignored is kind of a strong word.

    Most of the potential "cures" were covered, just not positively after some initial hype simply because follow up studies couldn't replicate early observational findings, if any existed at all.

    HCQ in particular is the most studied drugs in relation to COVID by far, and the media coverage led to shortages.

    In fact, so much focus was on HCQ that it probably delayed the study of other potential treatments: https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/06..._TxqCmAF2NnZZVgWCHWzOEjBAh5jiiYZiOIc85xXu7Ruo

    Ultimately, the only studies showing effectiveness appears only to be those that focused on providing it as an early treatment, and even that wasn't always conclusive. One study that showed effectiveness claimed more deaths in its study than the entire country had deaths.

    https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22776428/ivermectin-science-publication-research-fraud

    Honestly, if you want to know what fraud actually looks like, the HCQ and ivermectin stuff is what it looks like.

    Outlets like OAN would blast any new studies that showed effectiveness while ignoring the other 30 that didn't.

    As for why? Well, you are probably right that the drugs themselves don't make much money, but there is money to be had selling lies as the My Pillow guy has shown.
     
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  4. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    One of the few things you post that is actually true. There have only been 3 deaths that have been linked to the vaccines (only the J&J one).
     
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2022
  5. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    So one of the studies that showed promise for HCQ was one from Henry Ford. It had problems, however, such as that the treatment protocol was based on underlying conditions, which introduces an inherent bias in the results. They also adjusted the death rate based on whether a patient received ventilator support, further skewing the results based on things outside of the use of the drug.

    This prompted them to start a double blind gold standard study... which has quietly shut down, claiming lack of participants:
    https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-h...dy-hydroxychloroquine-covid-quietly-shut-down
     

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