The Dunewalker Buff: ...thanks?

[jimbobimbo]

Is that really supposed to make up for what you guys have done to SL?

Why don't you guys take a moment to fix the rune that destroyed SL in the first place?

[luke2007]

Originally Posted by jimbobimbo

Is that really supposed to make up for what you guys have done to SL?

Why don't you guys take a moment to fix the rune that destroyed SL in the first place?

what rune is that?

i though it was pretty much all the new runes and how easy it is to get around our bonus now by increasing attack or decreasing our defence.

[jimbobimbo]

valdac






valdac






valdac

[jimbobimbo]

here:

http://forums.poxnora.com/showthread.php?t=43115

[jimbobimbo]

here are two decent summaries of what i had predicted immediately after Valdac's release:

Originally Posted by jimbobimbo

sorry man, but you are wrong. would these suggestions be helpful? sure. but this isn't what's wrong with SL.

because i know nobody is going to go back and actually read any of my anti-valdac threads, i'll summarize them.

right when valdac came out, not only did i immediately boycott the unit but i said either one of two things are going to happen because of it: a.) people would come to their senses and realize what i was saying or b.) people would not listen and just be happy to finally be able to play competitively, in which case SL would fall behind every single other faction in due time.

valdac is a horribly designed unit for tons of reasons, but the big one one is augment creation. this ability was clumsily OPed from the get go. so basically what we have is a unit that makes an entire faction seem better than it really is. nora leeches, for example, are fine. there are a lot of factions that use nora gen... and because we have two of them (leeches), the probably of being able to reveal one in time is fairly reasonable. also, nora leeches are really only needed on occasion, whereas valdac is permanently more efficient the earlier he is revealed and less efficient the later. so when all other SL units are nerfed/released slightly less powerful in order to circumvent the OP augment creation, when you don't reveal valdac till the end of your rune dock it hardly seems justified...

i said it would happen (SL falling behind) one of two ways, either SL would take nerfs or other factions would get buffs... and we've had a little of both. so now, all factions "supposedly" have equally good heros... but SL's is more crippled by probability than any other faction by a long shot. not only that, but it is plausible that many other SL units were/are nerfed/designed by the greens with only augment creation in mind and not the probability of it's reveal.

bottom line, we are left with a 100plus nora auto-include that has a higher probability of not being helpful than any other faction. once again, the leeches are fine auto-includes because a.) they aren't always needed, b.) there are two of them which increases the probability of a reveal when they are needed, and c.) they are a measly 58 nora.

i was so pissed when they nerfed valdac's summons... they weren't the problem. one of the solutions i proposed to fix valdac was to have augment creation only extend to dragons and then two decrease his cost accordingly. this way you could still have fun with dragon decks, but the entire faction wasn't crippled by probability.

not sure if i explained that well? (just woke up)

but yea...

Originally Posted by jimbobimbo

sorry but you really can't compare FW angel to valdac

a.) FW angel doesn't cost 100plus nora like valdac (not to mention, valdac has vuln phys and fW angel has intesify on top of it)
b.) FW isn't nora starved like SL
c.) it doesn't matter when the FW angel comes into play, where as champions need to come out AFTER valdac in order to gain the +2 dam

also... on a side note, it's not always the damage they nerf on other champs to balance augment (or dread, i guess... not familiar with FW), they can nerf it in other ways


...................

yea, should have read the whole post before responding :)
heh... now i don't feel like deleting it

you hit the nail on the head.

[stayfrosty]

your silly I love valdac

[luke2007]

valdac should be fully un-nerfed back to when he first came out with the non summoned champs. and just change augment creation to like you said only dragons thats a really good idea

or make it so it only works while he is out so you can deploy him later and all your champs out get a +2 damage boost, kinda like a double motivate. but when he is gone you lose it


either way he needs quite a big cost decrease.

vindrax wouldnt hurt with a cost decrease either prehaps through resistance physical

[Ryvirath]

Originally Posted by jimbobimbo

here are two decent summaries of what i had predicted immediately after Valdac's release:

Uh you were wrong then and you're still wrong. It's cute that you think you were right and predicted something though.

SL has waned for numerous reasons, the only one that can be ascribed to Valdac is that he's just not that great of a hero, same with Vindrax.

[DagdaTuath]

i find it interesting that you're promoting a thread you made, with another thread, while the original thread was practically taking credit for sl's problems.

in other news, don't downplay the dunewalker buff.

[jimbobimbo]

Originally Posted by Ryvirath

Uh you were wrong then and you're still wrong. It's cute that you think you were right and predicted something though.

SL has waned for numerous reasons, the only one that can be ascribed to Valdac is that he's just not that great of a hero, same with Vindrax.

Please don't troll our faction's forum.

Ryvirath's Profile:
(Notice the 630 FS faction points and the zero in SL-that are pre-DOW nerf and actually mean something... also February was his last match.)