Critique le bg

Discussion in 'Forsaken Wastes' started by BurnPyro, Mar 30, 2015.

  1. BurnPyro

    BurnPyro Forum Royalty

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    Been trying to get an obelus o another arcane enerv in there. But no good. What I do guis?
     
  2. BurnPyro

    BurnPyro Forum Royalty

    Or like corrupted guard for a bone ele. Choices choices
     
  3. Netherzen

    Netherzen I need me some PIE!

    I hope you are running dead fairies with rabid 3,Teascholar did an amazing analysis on why extra ranks of dot are so good on a ranged champion like fairy.

    Two mobi is to much,drop one.Obelus is meh because of all the cleansing in todays meta.Arcana enervation is a decent aoe,but you dont really need aoe in FW,especialy since you already have double desecration.

    Since you are running tomb/tome you might consider dropping anathema for festering wounds,its 10 damage per champ along with inhibited and its a global destealth.Not needed tho,anathema is fine,its just a thought.

    Mindshackel is weird,since you can just slam bunch of disposable meat at your enemy.

    Adding another dusk creeper would also be good,they are super useful,you can also add in a reaper blade for the dusk creeper,so you can do the essence drain and two attacks from stealth combo,it kills any champion in the game and afterwards you get globe/stealth/3ap.

    The rest more or less looks solid,there are other choices of course,depending on your playstyle/stuf you like you run.
    Gonna list some good runes you can also run,but what you have currently looks fine:
    Affilicted corpse,etheral solider,putrid creeper,phantasmal creeper,crawling corpse(latch on and dead fairy combo),risen moga,risen yeti,stitched dreameater,shadowshank,deathcaster(essence drain on a stick),risen granadier(bomb works really well with desecration and pillage is great),Coragh.
     
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  4. Sirius

    Sirius I need me some PIE!

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  5. BurnPyro

    BurnPyro Forum Royalty

    rabid 1 atm, dunno, im doubtin'

    obelus is funny on some champs, dunno, it makes me laugh. Considering wounds.

    Shackel is stupid good. Stops all elusive, dodge, whatevers. 30 nora lol

    About them champs. So much stuff is really good. But slots slots slots - lil john
     
  6. JazzMan1221

    JazzMan1221 Better-Known Member

    So uh, what's with the double Desecration? Shrine damage? If you're using it as detection, I guess it could work, but even then I'd just run one.

    I like Ethereal Soldier over Executioner. Ex has more going for him stat-wise, but Soldier can go immune to almost everything every other turn, and Hex is just an amazing ability all around. Aura is also handy every once in a while.

    Honestly, I don't care for the Dark Familiar. In a faction as backloaded as FW, you either have to go all out on that strategy or not commit to it at all. Dark Familiar takes too long to get good, and while he's amazing after 4 rounds, it's too much of a gamble for my taste. I'd drop them for Afflicted Corpses or, if you want fast units, Skeletal Berzerkers.

    If you're looking to add Obelus, you could always drop Steal Life or Soulbane. One source of instant loss of life is good, 2 is also good, but you gotta take the laughs where you can get 'em.


    Also, needs more Broken Bones, obviously.
     
  7. kalasle

    kalasle Forum Royalty

    I'd suggest cutting 1 Dark Familiar for an Afflicted Corpse. Familiar is good, but going 1/1 with Corpse will help you out more, especially with their cycle times. I think there are too many instances where Familiar is a dead rune, and Afflicted shines in most of those cases.

    Bone Elemental is great, but again, I think cutting down to 1 is prudent. If you already have 1 out, it seems unlikely you would deploy a second one before most of the other options.

    Rabid 3 is the way to go on Fairy, mainly because of its proportional value to the Fairy's output and only a marginal increase in cost. On plenty of other units DoT 1 makes sense, but for a unit that is already expensive, mobile, and ranged, DoT 3 is killer. If you aren't sold, at least take DoT 2 -- it locks out healing for an extra opposing turn.

    You can cut Arcane Enervation. It's good, but outside of Witches it's drab, and there are better things to put in its place.

    One Executioner could be an Ethereal Soldier (Jazz posted while I'm writing this). In FW in particular, going 1/1 on runes has some serious advantages. You're playing for a longer game, and the closer you are to highlander the more versatile your BG. With the reduced champ CDs, there's little worry of running out of secondaries at a key time. Anthro and big ranged units should probably stay 2x though.

    One big thing I'd add is Grim Well. That relic is an absolute monster -- I've gone up to 2 in Worms, and put it 1x in every FW BG. It's not an any-where relic, but proper use can win some fight straight up.

    I'd also suggest DR/Altar, or if you're more stingy, 1x Reapers Blade -- maybe all three. Steal Life is good, but Soulbane is more consistent, so if you need to drop one of them, I'd cut the Steal. If you liked Drown in FS, you'll love DR/Altar. The damage is a mite low, but it solves more problems than you can imagine.
     
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  8. JazzMan1221

    JazzMan1221 Better-Known Member

    I would also recommend looking for things to replace Anthropomancer with, since he's not going to remain in his current state for much longer. Sok was even talking about a hotfix yesterday in guild chat, that's how obnoxious he is atm. Shanks are always good if you're into insta-kills and whatnot, though if you go with Shank you'll also want to consider Elsari Bazaar. Being able to grant him 3 extra AP goes a long way towards getting that clutch gib off when you need it.
     
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  9. Jib

    Jib Better-Known Member

    2x one of the Risens, E.Soldier, AC or even Phantasmals if you're baller can easily fit there. FW should survive that nerf.
     
  10. kalasle

    kalasle Forum Royalty

    Oh, right, Risen Yeti is also an awesome include if you have the space. As is Risen Moga.
     
  11. claydude5

    claydude5 The King of Potatoes

    lol running 2x mobi and 0 bazaar.

    Run 1 and 1 and you have the ap gen you need. Double mobi turns just don't happen anymore. It takes too much tempo when you could just drop another champ for its cost.
     
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  12. OriginalG1

    OriginalG1 I need me some PIE!

    with that melee, why not use execution order over mobi?
     
  13. kalasle

    kalasle Forum Royalty

    AP on ranged champs is super valuable and Exec Order doesn't help Martyr.
     
  14. XFurionsX

    XFurionsX I need me some PIE!

    Good luck with your meta @BurnPyro i hope you make it to the top as you did with FS, can't give my opinion on bgs because i'm not active at all, don't forget to share your thoughts and help building up the wastes.
     
  15. Ragic

    Ragic I need me some PIE!

    make theme decks. then give yobi your feedback on them.
     
  16. mw24

    mw24 I need me some PIE!

    bone elementals(that's not a skele bg...)
    arcane enervation(wtf are you playing witches?!?)
    executioner(there are better options)
    mobilize(2, really?)
    steal life(don't need)
    soulbane(lol)
    essence drain(how are you supposed to instakill champs spamming eradicate with only 1)
     
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  17. darklord48

    darklord48 Forum Royalty

    Bone elemental enables skeleton themes, it doesn't rely on them.
    What do you recommend in place of Executioner for a under 70 nora melee beater?
     
  18. mw24

    mw24 I need me some PIE!

    I don't think bone elemental is a good mixed bg rune, it isn't bad but you need op runes in meta bgs.(he is trying to make the strongest fw bg possible)

    I also think executioner is good, I just don't think he is best and that you could replace him with something better.
    I am currently using wandering zombies instead of executioners.(for font contest, double deploy, damage soaking, and death charges)

    Also bone elemental doesn't enable anything, skeletons are so deep into shoebox its crazy. I recently played them and saw first hand, was depressing and one of the reasons my rating was 1100.
     
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2015
  19. kalasle

    kalasle Forum Royalty

    I think 1/1 on Soulbane and Essence Drain is better than 2/0 either way, outside of any serious and particular considerations. I think I've posted about why elsewhere, which I can either find or retype if you don't want to look for it.

    A second Mobilize is certainly legit if you hinge on it. Spells are FW's longest CD options, and at 12 turns, Mobi's CD can be a serious choke-hold on any strategy or player that's used to it. I think 1 is probably better than 2 because FW has many good options, but if someone has a solid and serious reason for a second, that's fine.

    What do you feel are better options than Executioner? That's the next obvious point on which you need to elaborate.

    Bone Elemental is solid outside of skellies after the buff. I think Consume is underused, especially because he produces his own healing. It's worth a whirl. How about speaking further on why you think there are superior options, and what those might be?
     
  20. mw24

    mw24 I need me some PIE!

    I think that it is pretty easy to get a kill especially with anthropomancer with essence drain and I think soulbane doesn't do nearly enough for its cost. I think essence drain is the most powerful fw spell and is the main spell I use to kill champs and win games, I pretty much spam it.

    I rarely use mobilize because fw meta doesnt really have high damage champs but that just might be because of my playstyle. I cant ever see a person really needing 2 though.(especially with the amount of damage over time he should have) I run elsari bazaar with 1 mobilize and I think he should too.

    I would prefer tankier champs like wandering zombie/coragh or a champ with more utility like ethereal soldier or mute stalker over executioner.

    I think bone elemental is too expensive and doesn't synergy well with anthropomancer because it summons champs instead of spawning.(unlike magistrate, coragh, and wandering zombie) I guess it is a pretty good champ now but I think a lot of melees like the ones I mentioned are better.
    Bone elemental with consume might be good with death guard and wandering zombie, idk though it is still 80 nora.

    I also feel lich magistrate and utterdark fadewisp are 2 of the best fw ranged options with good ranged dmg/dot. Magistrate also synergizes well with anthropomancer. Xulos is way overcosted but his global damage can be good with your dots, tome of hate, and unholy tomb.

    My current opinion on FW range options: dead fairy> high warlock> utterdark fadewisp/lich magistrate. I think it is best to use 6+ total of these in your fw bg, I only see 4 real ranged champs in his bg.

    Another thing I noticed is that he only has 12 champs that are good first turn deploys and 2 of those(dark familiar) are only good on certain maps. I am not sure how often this would cause a problem for him though if at all. my bg has 14.
     
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2015

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