Scythe Whirl

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by KingJad, Sep 5, 2014.

  1. KingJad

    KingJad I need me some PIE!

    Scythe Whirl12 NoraAP: 3
    This unit gains Evasive 3 for 2 turns and all opposing units within this unit's RNG takes Physical damage equal to this unit's DMG. Units successfully damaged becomes Eviscerated for 3 turns

    I just observed a game and had thought about this before today and I wanted to know the general feel the community has on this ability. Is it appropriately costed for what it does? It applies a condition, grants Evasive - 3, is a super cleave and has the same ap cost of a basic attack topped off with a cooldown of 0.
     
    Last edited: Sep 5, 2014
  2. Paper Skull

    Paper Skull I need me some PIE!

    I think it's a little cheap for how strong it is, but it's not awful. It's very champion dependant, so it has the potential to become problematic if applied to the wrong champion, but for now, I'm pretty okay with it.
     
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  3. BurnPyro

    BurnPyro Forum Royalty

    Let me end this argument with emphasizing on how much 12 nora is for what it actually gives.
     
  4. Paper Skull

    Paper Skull I need me some PIE!

     
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  5. KingJad

    KingJad I need me some PIE!

    No arguments here.
     
  6. Baskitkase

    Baskitkase Forum Royalty

    Scales greatly with range. On ranged 1 it's dumb, but Garin with keeneye? Ouch
     
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  7. KingJad

    KingJad I need me some PIE!

    The game I watched it was intensified with staff of ascendance greater effect larger investment.
     
  8. ProR2D2

    ProR2D2 I need me some PIE!

    It was supposed to be Garin (split hero's) unique ability due to its power.
    My guess is that Gedden saw the ability had the word "Scythe" in it, so he decided to mindlessly put it on every champion that uses a scythe as a weapon, disregarding about balance.
     
  9. RedScarlet

    RedScarlet I need me some PIE!

    Its a split hero ability that is so squishy to melee. As long as u detect it before he comes to u, then ur good.

    I play mine with Swamptouch's amulet.

    Now when we're talking about other champs with this ability... Now that is worthy of a discussion.
     
  10. KingJad

    KingJad I need me some PIE!

    Just to put it out there garin isn't the only champ with the ability.
     
  11. Strings

    Strings Devotee of the Blood Owl

    On the bloodtracker I do not rate it that highly. You need to waste 3 AP to gain the defensive element and gain little from the AoE due to range 1. I do not believe it works with his other on hit effects (bleed, life siphon). So for him it is poor, I would rate a basic evasion 3 far higher.

    On the Reaper in UD it is decent thanks to her 1-2 range.

    On Garin it is good thanks to his 1-3 range. See where this is going?
     
  12. PurpleTop

    PurpleTop I need me some PIE!

    sooooo
    Give Garen staff of ascendance, let him intensify, cast recycle, rinse and repeat. Talk about scyth whirl then >.>
     
  13. RedScarlet

    RedScarlet I need me some PIE!

    Hence I wrote "when we're talking about other champs".

    Basically Im saying its a split hero ability, dont just spread it all around on common/uncommon champs.

    Swamptouch Amulet is cheaper than staff of ascendance btw.
     
  14. theKraken

    theKraken I need me some PIE!

    Maybe cooldown one? Or +1 ap?
     
  15. Baskitkase

    Baskitkase Forum Royalty

    I don't get the Amulet comment, sunder axe is cheaper than amulet? So why is that completely irrelevant? They have nothing to do with each other.
     
  16. MEATMAN

    MEATMAN Forum Royalty

    the worst is it doesn't have a cooldown, why is that again?
     
  17. RedScarlet

    RedScarlet I need me some PIE!

    Swamptouch escalation, staff of asc escalation. Swamptouch 30, staff of asc 40.
     
  18. Baskitkase

    Baskitkase Forum Royalty

  19. Baskitkase

    Baskitkase Forum Royalty

    You guys are talking about the ability and then not even considering the cost.

    "worse, it doesnt have a cooldown", worse than what?

    Attack physical? Which is free?

    Quit nerfherding stuff just because it seemed good that one time when you played against it. It scales with range, done. The end. Keep watch on what range the champions are on which you place the ability.

    You've got to take accountability for what you nerfherd. You could easily ruin the ability and Garin. We do not have a developer that knows what he's doing well enough to not take your ramblings for actual valid statements.
     
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  20. RedScarlet

    RedScarlet I need me some PIE!

    Oh sry i meant intensify. Escalation is way better on him postvamp for cheaper cost is what i meant

    But ya i mean scythe whirl plays pretty similar to assassinate. Just detect him, he literally only has stealth n eva3

    I agree that scythe whirl doesnt need a tap. But a split hero is a split hero. They need to have a unique ability. As of now Garin's ability is pretty much in other factions. Same goes for magnus
     

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