The Solution to the Draksar problem

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by mw24, Jul 8, 2015.

  1. mw24

    mw24 I need me some PIE!

    @Sokolov Draksar need more powerful/efficient/non ammunition ranged units and for dreadnought and torien to be altered significantly. Also I don't understand why akakios doesn't have race draksar/dragon. I think vindrax needs cost reductions as well. Because of disciple of the scale he would be pretty cool to run with draksar but he just cost way too much nora.
     
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  2. urgoth16

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  3. Pedeguerra

    Pedeguerra I need me some PIE!

    So wait, you feel draksar are weak atm?
     
  4. mw24

    mw24 I need me some PIE!

    torien needs 1+ range possibly 5+ hp, and judgement removed. Dreadnought needs to lose a couple sandbags and get regen. Lastly draksar need their ranged units damage buffed, ammunition needs to be removed from rocketeer.

    The rest of the thread I just made for fun.(why are skeezick so much stronger than draksar?)

    Its ridiculous how much stronger skeezick synergy and ranged units are compared to draksars. Doesn't make any sense.

    @BurnPyro I think you get banned more often than me. I don't randomly verbally attack other players like you do. My threads have a purpose, I just don't like going into too much detail because it is too draining and time consuming and I also don't like debating with many players who would inevitably disagree and spam my thread with insults, who often times don't even have much knowledge on the topic being discussed.

    I just like pointing out problems and hope the devs and players notice them and can work on them constructively and find a good solution if I haven't presented the solution already.
     
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  5. BurnPyro

    BurnPyro Forum Royalty

    Mate, none of your threads have ever contributed to the well being of this game in any way, shape or form.
     
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  6. Pedeguerra

    Pedeguerra I need me some PIE!

    Well, you could certainly make a case for buffing units here and there, but that doesn't mean the theme is bad. I mean, it has access to Multi 1 on demand for 2 whole turns of attack, how baller is that?
    Either way, saying rocketeer needs a buff is either a horrible joke or lack of clue on balance. You pick.
     
  7. claydude5

    claydude5 The King of Potatoes

    I can't believe this guy thinks dreadnaught is bad. It aint.

    Torien is fine.

    he thinks Drak Rocket should lose ammunition?

    Jesus christ my left teste has a better idea of balance than you and it hangs lower than the other.
     
  8. mw24

    mw24 I need me some PIE!

    dreadnought lacks regen and is too expensive to be run competitively. Draksar rocketeer doesn't need ammunition, it is weaker than cannoneer even if it lost ammunition, as it is it sucks, it becomes a throwaway unit after 6 attacks...

    Judgement is pretty much worthless and almost a 10 nora sandbag in draksar and Torien's 2-4 range is also horrible. This range turned nefari schemer from a top notch unit to a barely out of the shoebox unit if that. 40 hp is also really low and easily 1 round-able.

    People like claydudes is why I don't go into much detail, just saying.
     
  9. Tricky1

    Tricky1 I need me some PIE!

    are you right handed?
     
  10. mw24

    mw24 I need me some PIE!

    @BurnPyro ideas from my threads have already been put into the game.
     
  11. MEATMAN

    MEATMAN Forum Royalty

    really? which ones? are you sure it wasn't just things that were painfully obvious and you are trying to take credit for 'finding out' like the map thread?

    I guess once the map rotation thing is resolved it'll of been your idea, huh?

    that's cool.
     
  12. Pedeguerra

    Pedeguerra I need me some PIE!

    So, uh, are you completely ignoring the fact that Rockteer's damage escalates over time?
     
  13. mw24

    mw24 I need me some PIE!

    I didn't say remove ammunition and do nothing else to make sure that the champ was balanced afterwards. All I said is that ammunition places the rune firmly into the shoebox and helps draksar as a theme to continue to suck because of the lack of anything besides subpar/mediocre/below average ranged options. Yes compared to competitive themes draksar suck.
     
  14. Pedeguerra

    Pedeguerra I need me some PIE!

    Dude, honestly, after this post I have given up on talking to you.
    You are either:
    1) Hashinshin all along, to which I will say GGWP;
    2) Just here to annoy the heck out of people, to which I will say GGWP as well.

    However, your notions on balance are completely off. Have a good one.
     
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  15. spineyftw

    spineyftw I need me some PIE!

    My post from Mark's thread about Drakkies last week.

    Leave Drakkies alone. End of story.
     
  16. mw24

    mw24 I need me some PIE!

    This isn't acceptable. Some people would like to play draksar at the top of the rankings and not auto lose.
     
  17. spineyftw

    spineyftw I need me some PIE!

    So it can get nerfed like your last FW bg? No thanks, Mark. This is a cycle that I would like to stop. Top tier bgs need to be toned down. Good, playable themes like Draksar don't need to be buffed. I think Draksar, power-wise, is perfect atm.

    A player who truly who deserved to be "top of the rankings" could do just that with a Draksar bg.
     
  18. BurnPyro

    BurnPyro Forum Royalty

    I'm going to just call a bunch of stuff, and randomness will decide whether some stuff makes it. Then I can pretend like people actually listen to me.

    lol.png
     
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  19. mw24

    mw24 I need me some PIE!

    What player are you talking about because nobody playing this game currently can do this. Nobody can even come close to doing this, not even devilsrath or tiny... wtf!?! You are confused, skill does not make up for lack of rune power that much, not even close.
     
  20. mw24

    mw24 I need me some PIE!

    lacking knowledge in poxnora in a particular theme or faction does not make you stupid.... I have played an unhealthy amount in the past year with almost every theme in the game, most time against top notch opponents and bgs.
    I know alot about alot when it comes to how many of the runes play in and against competitive bgs atm.

    I am sure claydudes for example is a really smart person but he lacks alot when it comes to poxnora pvp knowledge. Also I never claimed everyone was in this category, you just say that I did. Claydudes may know about some things when it comes to poxnora pvp but often times when he responds to my posts/threads he doesn't know the topic very well... but he is not the only one, most of the people who attack my post/threads are similar.

    I just want the games pvp to improve and be as close to perfect as possible, idc how. That's why I make these threads. I want the topics of them to be changed in some way to improve the state of the game even if I don't always explain exactly how to do this, sometimes I do though.

    I would really like if more drastic changes were made and at a faster pace. There are still far too many shoebox runes and abilities in this game. You have to be careful to avoid overbuffing them but getting many of the runes close to being viable in competitive bgs would not be that difficult of a task even if time consuming imo. The devs may need the help of players like devilsrath or faction specialist like burnpyro to do this properly though. You also have to make sure that these players genuinely want their faction to be competitive and strong but balanced, and not broken though.

    Getting burnpyro's opinion on factions outside of SL often times isn't that helpful but it would be extremely helpful to get him to help with SL. Then there are players like karmavore who have been zealots in the past advocating for their faction to be overbuffed. Even though many zealots are knowledgeable at their faction they are not helpful when balancing it. I don't know if this is still the case with karmavore or not.

    Players like tinydragon and devilsrath might be really helpful in improving the state of this games pvp because they are knowledgeable in many different areas when it comes to poxnora pvp and are highly skilled with each faction imo. To a lesser extent I can sometimes be helpful similar way because I have alot of experience/knowledge with the different factions.
     
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2015

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