Seism just showcases how horribly broken banners are

Except it never comes down to that? Were you forced to deploy it as soon as it shows in your rune dock would give space for that argument, but that is not the case.

How much your 'bad' decisions cost should never be part of the assessment.

 

make banners 21hp ?

 

An interesting thought

They used to be, I'm assuming Sok recently changed it to accommodate to seism in the first place.

 

Is this thread more against banners and relishing in the necessary evil of Seism to combat them?
Rage against an historic auto-include? Which is interesting because I feel there are plenty of those since the dawn.
Discussion on banners offering too much power for not enough cost?

Trying to get the main focus of discussion here, and the general angst.

I feel Banners are fine and I quite enjoy my extra HP and almost negligible dmg. To be honest the dmg only interests me in moments I haven't put it down already and I wonder if the +1 will add to a kill.
I don't see why it shouldn't effect summons. If banner got hit, summons would need another overhaul because some summons pretty much rely on banner to be useful at all.

I like the idea of individualizing banners to give flavor to the faction as if another 'font bonus' or 'faction bonus'.
That would definitely drum up the cost however and I think an auto include relic you can use for contestion and spike stats for low cost is very useful and needed in the current game. So thats my one fear against such a move.

Avatars are pretty bland after the change. I wouldn't mind Banners Boost (5hp, +1 dmg) to be added to an active ability on the Avatar that cost 20 nora to use and persisted 4-6 turns with an 8 turn CD.
That way you get your 'Banner' passive but it isn't as lasting and has constant upkeep.
You could then re-identify each factions actual banner into a more flavorful cheap relic that gives a appropriate boost to the faction identity and needs.

 

I didn't miss the point, I replied to his. If you want to talk about BG diversity being reduced because of banners, then it's not a matter of nerfing them, because they'll either be too good for FF or unrunnable. Just think of Loyalty and Regal Presence.

 

Here's the thing about banners. We all have them so they aren't a problem.

And seism is really damn easy to play around

 

Alright I'll bite

If everyone has X which is broken, but Y that counters X is only availeble to a few, is X balanced?

And I'm sure everyone can play around seism because everyone's got dispensable relics?



Easy plays, easy games.

 

Make a bunch of war banners but race dependent, so they are fine in themes but less so in meta or split abuse bullshit

 

banners are kind of meh at this point to me,
I do believe FF should have a bit of an advantage, , if not only for the rune pool selection, then lorewise at least (an army of dwarves aren't really gonna work well with there demonic allies).but the bonus seems negated with auto the include status of giving up slot.
the fac bonus doesnt really hurt the splits, in fact its sometimes even better. so other then the banner,, theres not much,, and even then splits can take advantage of the banner if the split bg favors 1 of the facs champ wise.
I dont love siesm, but it can be worked around,, and when it destroys one of my relics, it doesnt affect me as much as when its the banner,,
id like to see banner phased out , freeing up a slot,, and an actual buff toward playing FF.

 

If your BG is relic based the odds are seism is not going to be too effective in destroying your important relics like chopping blocks and so on. You can find ways to trick some one in using seism on the wrong relic or plan for it. Plus the cool downs on relics are pretty fast any ways. Using Seism against a FW BG dropping down relics is going to be very costly and not a very good counter to that BG. I do not see how SEISM is even a viable counter to relics. Yeah I destroyed bone mine...oh no I am fighting more skeletons now.

 

Ok, thats a good explanation.
Thanks.

 

This theme love to META SPLIT PLAYERS. Buff Splits, Nerf heros,avatars,banners!!!!!.
The unique buff is regrets the use of many split heros in a deck, still 1 is ruining kannen , choose between kiergana or garin is the problem

 

UD is kill or die!

 

i like time slip in farming decks, not so much with a blitz champ.

 

Spill the beans sokobro