Jakei Frostseer and Frost Greeting

snow strike currently cost like 5 or 6 nora more than it should for what it does currently.

 

the problem is that a wider ranges are overcosted. This was a problem with champs like xulos, moragen, and is still an issue for many champs with wide ranges. I don't think ranges like 5-6 or 4-5 are generally overcosted but ranges like 3-6, 2-5, 1-4, even ranges with less spread seem to cost alot.

Also I think damage over time should be changed like sunder. I think ranged units should get dot 3 and melees dot 5 and then dot 5's cost should be reduced to only slightly more than dot 3 if not the same.

 

This is legit actually. One of the things that bugs me a lot about dots currently is that they have the same price on both melee and ranged units, despite them being infinitely more useful on ranged units. The same could be said for the whole formula given that it seeks to assign costs in a vacuum, but it's especially noticeable on DoTs.

 

I think you hit the nail on the head when you pointed out that 3-5 is more expensive than 5-6. Give me 5-6 in that case any day.

 

then at least this way both potentially overcosted abilities, snowstrike and frost greeting, are both on thhe same upgrade line and if both get cost reductions, then she'll get a cost decrease overall

 

Been playing a Jakei bg focused around Ice Amp and the frostseer is pretty good with snowstrike as the selected upgrade for 78 Nora.

 

4-5 and 5-6 are the best ranges with these costings. 3-4 and 2-4 are bad ranges,(the champs can be good though with strong ability like senshu for example) 3-5,4-6, and 5-7 cost too much nora.(senshu would be undercosted but his range is keeping him balanced, absolute zero probably doesn't cost enough nora and should probably be increased if 2-4 range were to get a cost reduction)

3-4 should be like 6 nora, 2-4 like 9, 3-5 12 or 15, 2-5 15 or 18, and 5-7 21 or less.

 

Thanks for reading, feel free to play the victim in another thread of your choice again.

No seriously, some champs are just better than others. The champ isn't even completely shoebox either. You should have named this thread "my champ is bad and I think it's because ST's being singled out". Either that or you just have no clue how to formulate your threads, combined with your pissy reaction when the thread was clearly over, makes people not take you serious at all.

Just a heads up if you intend to make more threads in the future.

 

Just from personal experience I'd disagree: I find myself moving into max range much more often than moving away from my target to fit the minumum. Realistically if you're playing a ranged unit you're going to have meat in front of it to help deter other runes from closing the gap. This is especially apparent in snapteeth ranged units where I rarely found their deadzones to be too problematic due to crawmangler being such a strong roadblock.

Obviously everything's situational, but I just feel like i'd rather have the larger deadzone with the longer range in most scenarios.

 

Didgeridoo Greeting

 

Depends entirely on what the champ's damage is and what else it potentially spends its AP on. On a champ like kanen cultist? I wouldn't want to pay much for extra range. On Kanen crone? I'd gladly pay a lot more.

If I had to completely generalize it I'd say I would gladly pay double the amount that a -1 MIN RNG costs to get a +1 MAX RNG

 

Right, this is exactly my thought. Whenever something closes in to my large dead zone unit, most of the time I have other units to address the problem.

 

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