Patch Preview: Pounce/Swoop/Massive Leap consolidation

Don't get me started on what the art of champ is supposed to represent. 70% of IS champs "look" like they're a certain way but in game do nothing of the like. If this complaint is valid then I have a mothertruckload of a list

 

dmg 6 lumbering

 

So this patch is nearly finished right. Midterm hype?

 

yeah seriously my patience is running low.

 

Question: Why did you go through all this? The problem with pounce lies in 3 things that make it overpowered:

Boundless Enthusiasm - Solution - make it goblin/imp only
Spirit of the Mountain - it's good enough as it is without having pounce
Lonx Bonecharm - I don't play ST enough to know what would be a good alternative or restriction on this - but I could imagine if it also gave 'Easy Target' you'd balance it out as a 1-1 kill. (I'm not suggesting that as a solution but someone more experienced with ST surely could think of something fair)

It feels like you've gone through a hell of allot of effort for the sake not wanting to adjust those three.

 

Sok is changing Pounce because people can't comprehend the way it currently works.

 

And he will gain Eviscerate 3/Deepwounds right ? or is the point here to nerf it? (I'm obviously kidding)

 

Change to pounce affect the UD , with how bad they are , boundless enthusiasm , one of those scarce resources to strategy, lose effectiveness , UD are weak comparing it to others,
Change pounce mechanics seems excessive

 

Glorious Leap going to be effected at all? Or is it just considered a completely different ability.

Edit: Nvm, for some reason I thought GL did damage.

 

Ummm... or it could be leaping into the air and landing with such force that it breaks the ground ala the new pounce slam. As far as art goes it's not much of a stretch at all and actually fits it fine.

 

The idea seem pretty nice, but any reason for this to be 4/6/8 nora cheaper then Tidal Wave, Avalanche and Lava Storm? It's basically the same with a bit lower dmg but applying Slowed, knock back and with a relocation effect. Seems a bit too cheap... Id say either knock back or slowed, both is just too much. Or make it's cost higher.

 

Way too cheap. Just make it 6 dmg and slowed and make Tremor like that as well. I could see it turning into a problem given we have a lot of tremor in the game as AoE Slowed might be too powerful, so I'm still unsure.

 

So yeah, let's make the game dumber so people can avoid acquiring reading skills or simply testing the darn ability to see what it actually does.
I mean Sok, I can see the reasoning behind trying to consolidate buggy abilities and similar ones, but Pounce was actually a cool AoE melee attack, and units with the ability themselves were never a problem until this damned new equip (Bone Collar something) came around.
Honestly, this change combined with KB chasm going away without Domichasm going, makes me very weary of whats to come.
But hey, I dont play anymore so I shouldnt say stuff like this.
Its all good!

 

I'm of the idea that, as currently described, it will be a better version of the current Pounce. It should have a lower base damage.

 

@Pedeguerra Except that it stopped being an attack and turned into a "deal X damage to whatever you want unless it has immunity: physical". It ignores DEF, impenetrable (as it no longer acts as an attack), deflect, divert (same case) and can even hit through charm. Pounce in UD gives Sheoul Demons a threat range of 10 up from a threat range of 6, not to mention other pounceless champs like Pit Dragons. Pounce with timeslip (blitz being a primary offender, but pounce just makes it worse) in KF lets you 1-round anything you want.

That's why the change is needed. The ability breaks a huge range of champions when they get it.

@Sokolov Reduce the damage - make the ability more about utility (like Glorious Leap) than damage. Keep in mind it has a potential of 5 extra damage from KB, so that should be accounted for as well.

 

Impenetrable: This champion can not be the target of abilities your enemy controls, including non-basic attacks. This does not include basic attacks.

So I guess it wouldn't ignore that. But you forgot to mention blind, OWN and NKD.

 

Pounce ignores impenetrable and impenetrable used to ignore pounce in the past, which is why I brought it up.